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The new stadium will be located 30-60 minutes closer to most ticket buying Braves fans than Turner Field. Which makes getting to the stadium better.
As an city of Atlanta resident I hope that, with 3+ years to do something about it, public transit to that area will get better.
all I know is I had to take the marta then walk then take a bus to get to turner field the last time I went.
Not at game time on a typical weekday. Heading into town between 5-6 for a game, while not exactly traffic free, wasn't inherently terrible, especially if you lived along a Marta route and were using that for the game. Driving on the perimeter between 5-6, especially towards the 75/285 junction, massively sucks, and the surface streets around there are worse.
Cobb County is 45% non-white (26% black)...not exactly Utah.
“The other important part of the formula is for the citizens of Cobb not to experience any kind of tax increase. The influx of people into the county for the games should provide the revenue needed to make this a successful venture.”
Whoever said walking the mile from GSU is correct; if you can bear the heat in the summer, parking about a mile away and walking is the best. But there will be, I believe, much better traffic patterns in and out of the new stadium here, and access to Turner field is simply terrible.
Add to that the 5-10 times a year the Falcons (70,000 fans; 35,000 for the pre-season) and Hawks (15-20 fans, for the pre-season) play on the same day as the Braves, or Georgia tech football (40,000), and you see another benefit, which is unclogging the downtown area, where all of those venues are. Do not forget that ATL is also a huge convention city, with the downtown hotels being the destination, so this actually unclogs.
Don't confuse non-locals with events or history of the metro area that happened after the 1960s. It will harsh their stereotypes.
That Cobb County has a significant black population is in no way exculpatory of not wanting rail transportation because of racial fears.
"Let’s put it this way, if my 6-year-old or whatever at the time was walking around by themselves down there (Turner Field) I’d be kind of concerned, wouldn’t you?”
I've been taking marta to braves games for over a decade. It doesn't surprise me that the same people who can't figure it out also take an hour to drive 2 miles in the one part of the city that is on a grid system.
I will buy you a beer if a MARTA train goes to the stadium on opening day.
They're trimming the education budget to give corporate welfare to a private business, so the private business can replace perfectly serviceable physical plant another jurisdiction's already paid for.
Do you think there will be stadium rail service from Atlanta to Cobb county, and if not, what will the main driver of opposition be?
In fairness, the education cuts were in the spring. After that they decided that spending $450M on a stadium was a good idea.
marta cannot compaire
Probably not a MARTA line. But I guarantee you there will be a robust CCT presence, perhaps even some sort of light rail, and I guarantee you that CCT will run a free shuttle bus from the North Point MARTA station on 400 to the stadium.
This is very easy to explain. The Cobb County commissioners don't have large investments in construction and development companies that would rake in millions of profit from hiring teachers.
What does any of that have to do with corporate welfare and crony capitalism -- the issues put front and center by this absurd waste of public resources?
and it's all going to be paid for by the old white people of Cobb County!
Beyond the racism behind the move to white flight field, the sheer absurdity of moving in this day and age to a place where everyone HAS to drive is breathtaking.
This is a remarkably healthy way to look at it, and I have considered it and may make my way to that line of thinking over the next 3 years. But for right now, the knowledge that I will now have to rent a car to a braves game in cobb county is something i cannot get past.
The Braves are going closer to their clientele, and for a pittance of a price. Now there are of course some troubling undercurrents to the catering to white, affluent fans. But I'm not sure how one works their way around those issues in today's professional sports market. And I'm not sure I'd call it white flight or racism, either. That seems a bit much.
The problem with the current location isn't the pigmentation of the surrounding neighborhoods. It's the rank poverty.
And I'm not sure I'd call it white flight or racism, either. That seems a bit much.
Turner Field is going to end being the site of the Wal-Mart that developers can't get built on Glenwood between Boulevard and Moreland, isn't it?
But we would have hoped that was a trend leftover from flusher, stupider times that was diminishing as the con became more apparent. And it was diminishing. Now we get a suburban jurisdiction of fewer than 700,000 people forking over $650 per person in a 70-30 deal for a suburban stadium (*) straight out of the days of Escape from New York and the fights over busing
LA's unwillingness to bend over for the NFL and build a new stadium remains a point of civic pride. You can keep the Vikings or Jaguars thanks.
the sheer absurdity of moving in this day and age to a place where everyone HAS to drive is breathtaking. They're doubling down on climate change denials.
The problem with the current location isn't the pigmentation of the surrounding neighborhoods. It's the rank poverty. Go back and look at that ticket map again. Look south this time, and find the one deep red ticket buying zip code that's on the south side. That's the 30269. Peachtree City. Or as we like to call it, the Black Cobb County. Peachtree City, where the upper middle class African American families live. And low and behold, they buy asstons of Braves tickets too. If there were more P'tree Cities on the south side and the top end arc looked more like (poor, white as rice) Douglasville over in the 30133-5 zips the Braves would be moving to where the rich black folk live.
Detroit's population is 82.7% African-American; Atlanta's is 54%. Detroit is also considered one of the poorest cities in teh US (median HHI is under $26K; 1/3 of families have incomes below the poverty level). Yet, the Tigers built their stadium smack dab in downtown and have drawn fewer than 2.5M just once since '05 - in '10 they drew 2.46M.
Yes, because Detroit would never move a sports venue out of the city.
Snark aside, Comerica is built at the intersection of I75 and I375, which is basically the exact equivalent in Detroit of the Cobb Galleria location at the intersection of I75 and I285.
You said "The problem with the current location isn't the pigmentation of the surrounding neighborhoods. It's the rank poverty." Yet, it's nothing like the rank poverty around downtown Detroit, site of 2 (and soon to be 3) pro stadiums.
The location of Detroit's sports multiplex in the abandoned downtown section has nothing to do with the Braves' decision process.
Neither, I imagine, does any demographics of any area of the Atlanta metro area. It's the cash from Cobb County.
Yup, Wal Mart.
Instead of just 81 baseball games you get 200+ events (MLB, NBA, WNBA, NFL, high school tournaments, concerts) yearly using the same infrastructure.
Considering that there is no grocery store in Summerhill, Mechanicsville or Peoplestown (the three neighborhoods that surround Turner Field) a Wal-Mart would be a godsend.
Yes. But you have to take into account that for non-Braves fans and folks who hate Atlanta by default (Lassus, Andy, etc.) any solution that isn't "let's build an NYC type subway system from scratch" nuke the city from orbit and salt the earth with dried tears of the relatives of the dead is unacceptable.
Nonsense. The league has made it clear our existing facilities will not do and if we want a team there needs to be a new stadium ready to receive it. And we have repeatedly said no thanks.
I am ignorant about Atlanta, but isn't it premature to assume that the demographics will remain the same in both their current home and Cobb county, and that the ticket-buyers will come from the same area?
Target Field gets used 52 weeks a year
It just needs to stay that way for 20 years, because that's how long stadiums last in Atlanta
Atlanta Stadium/AFCS/Turner Field have been in the same neighborhood (Summerhill) since 1966.
I said nothing about moving location. It was a joke about the Braves and Falcons moving out of 20-something year old stadiums.
I think it's wrong to argue that Turner Field is some sort of new thing the Braves built for themselves and then threw away in 20 years.
Eh, the city was ready to build a stadium for a team if one moved. A big reason why teams haven't moved to LA is that "we'll move to LA" is a powerful negotiating tactic to use on the city.
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