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I think they were scared of his representatives. His law firm was Babip, Pecota, Vorp and Eckstein.
Why are you insulting Eckstein by calling him a Vogon?
It was pointed out last year that Reached On Error is much higher with men on base.
EDIT: Soshi actually it was a discussion on bunting strategy and it was pointed out that the standard evaluations do not take into account possible errors trying to field the bunt
Split ROE/PA ROE PA
1 out 1-3 1.70% 33 1936
0 out 12- 1.46% 36 2464
1 out 123 1.37% 22 1602
0 out 1-- 1.26% 127 10042
1 out -23 1.26% 19 1509
on 3rd lt 2 out 1.20% 113 9420
on 1st lt 2 out 1.20% 405 33778
1 out --3 1.17% 21 1797
123 1.15% 48 4187
1 out 1-- 1.13% 134 11811
0 out 123 1.13% 7 620
0 out -2- 1.08% 35 3249
1-3 1.04% 57 5468
1-- 0.99% 331 33522
2 out 123 0.97% 19 1965
12- 0.94% 116 12357
Men On 0.93% 749 80246
RISP 0.89% 418 46724
1 out 12- 0.89% 39 4399
2 out -2- 0.86% 60 6989
-2- 0.82% 128 15593
1 out --- 0.79% 259 32862
-23 0.78% 31 3953
0 out 1-3 0.77% 7 904
--- 0.76% 800 104627
0 out --- 0.76% 348 45592
2 out 12- 0.75% 41 5494
2 out --- 0.74% 193 26173
--3 0.74% 38 5166
on 3rd 2 out 0.65% 61 9354
2 out 1-3 0.65% 17 2628
1 out -2- 0.62% 33 5355
2 out 1-- 0.60% 70 11669
2 out -23 0.54% 10 1853
2 out --3 0.52% 15 2908
0 out --3 0.43% 2 461
0 out -23 0.34% 2 591
ETA: You rang? :)
James ripped Tom Brookens (and Sparky Anderson, one of his favorite targets) 30 years ago, but he adored David Eckstein, who performed pretty much at the same level (OPS+ says so). Was Eck just cuter?
That stat alone should cause us to re think fielding metrics. Well, not alone, there should necessarily be more overthrows and such when runners are moving around. But then again if you're gong to make errors when people are running the bases then certainly those errors will be more costly.
I never understood why Bill James hated Sparky so much. (My theory at the time was that Bill, as a kid, got beat up on the playground by someone with white hair who said "ain't" a lot...)
My disdain for Whitey Herzog isn't because he wasn't a good manager, it's because the crowd of people in St Louis have built a cult of worship around him
Eckstein was a shorstop, while Brookens was primarily a third baseman, so Lil' Davey was in fact more valuable.
That being said, James was probably harder on Brookens (and, definitely on Sparky) then his performance warranted.
The Eckstein premise in the question is absurd. James's answer is fine but in 2002, the Red Sox finished 6 games out of the wild card spot. And 2B wasn't that big of a sinkhole -- it was primarily Merloni (1.3 total WAR) and Rey Sanchez (1.4). Eckstein might have added 3 wins (2002 was his best season).
you misspelled "Tony LaRussa"
Errors are 60% more likely with men on base.
I do wonder why we saw so many extreme totals last year. Has anybody come up with a good explanation for that yet?
Most fielding metrics do not care about errors in the slightest. At least the advanced fielding metrics don't. They look at status of the runners/outs before the play, after the play and how that is different from the average.
Did Sparky's comment about Bill James being a fat little guy who didn't know anything about baseball come before or after James's hatred?
 If you subtract out BB, SO, HR and HBP from PA, the ROE rate is 1.11% bases empty versus 1.35% with men on for 2013.
These probably need to be split out into errors that allow runners to get on, and errors that allow a runner to advance. Because there are more opportunities for runners to move up a base I'd guess that throwing errors on advancements make up much of the increase with runners on
Successful Sac Bunt 71%Pop Out 10%Forceout 7%Base hit 5%Sac + error 3%Fielder's choice, all safe 2%Bunt into DP 1%Pop Out, DP 1%
I think what the Sox understood about Papelbon was that he was a closer and not worth the money, one year hit to the bullpen be damned.
I think that's correct, however: most of these fielding metrics are proprietary yes? So we cant be sure.
Caspar Wells had more swings and misses than foul balls, 65-52, Yasiel Puig 272-257, Ryan Howard 218-203, Chris Collabello (I must have more Colabello), 121-115.
Is it possible that the increase in ROE with men on is largely derived from the pressure on the infielders to turn the DP? You try to hurry up your play, you will make the occasional error.
Note: although since you can't assume the out on the double play, the only time an error is going to be assigned on the second half of the play is if it's thrown away and the batter/runner is able to advance another base.
For the record, if the first baseman drops or mishandles the throw on the back half of a would-be double play, that is an error (or, well, the scorer is free to assume the DP in that instance and grant the error). Of course, this almost never happens.
A single only creates something like 0.29 runs; however, if one adds 100 ADDITIONAL singles to a team, marginal singles, then you’ll add something more than 60 additional runs. The marginal value of an offensive event is more than twice as great as the value of such an event integrated into the whole package.
Your interpretation makes more sense of course, but again, I've never seen it.
If official scorers aren't scoring the play this way, they're defying the book.
Pretty clear Anderson wasn't among his favorites, but this wasn't a Peter Bavasi situation (little doubt James could not stand Bavasi. Not that he was alone)
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