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How would this work with Cubans? Do you draft them in the hopes they defect, or do you wait until they do?
Could be that more is spent on international players than we know. From scouting to baseball academy's as well as the bonus' and the raw number of players signed in hopes of getting that winning lottery ticket. Also, a draft could delay the signing from 16 to 17 or 18 giving teams a better idea of what they are getting before they sign the player. MLB could set up academy's on their own and close down most team based ones thus costing all teams the price of one instead of 30 per country/territory. MLB might also be seeing a strong future for international players - not just from Japan but also Europe and other places. An international draft would clear up a lot of those things.
Oh goody, less resources for player development! Just what a fan wants to hear!
I still don't know how MLB could logistically handle an international draft. Seems perfect opportunity for abuse
How would there be more abuse with a draft?
What countries comprise the bulk of the NHL international market?
Why is a draft perverse? It seems to fairest of all options.
I suspect the 'fewer great players' argument is minimal. If a player has the talent they tend to get found. The best academy on earth couldn't change, say, John McDonald into a 10 time all-star. Likewise, someone who is a star calibre player will normally get found, academy or not.
Why do you assume fewer players will be drafted than are currently signed?
I still don’t get this. Teams simply don’t spend that much on international free agent signings. They do spend a lot in arbitration and all teams have lots of players making the minimum or thereabouts. It doesn’t seem like giving away things like that make financial sense when compared to the relative small dollars given to guys on the international market.
Meanwhile, the players have, historically, liked to see more guys subject to the draft and have always been willing to negotiate away the rights of others like this. So why do they need big giveaways like this? I know why they’d want them, but MLB can’t think they have to give away that much, can it?
A draft with strict slotting takes $ directly from Scott Boras types and gives it to the owners. This is not a bad thing.
What role is there for them? I assume the players would use actual agents at age-18, like the US amateurs. And those guys take a much smaller cut.
Sure, much better to lets the local buscones steal 50% of these kids money than have the evil white man take 25%.
Yes, we're all so concerned about the buscones. What can be done but to turn the fiscal futures of these poor third world players over to the enlightened Budscones, who can be counted on to take up the white man's burden in only the fairest of ways.
I'm assuming MLB will continue academies, like they are doing in inner-city America.
Randy, I don't think players will allow the foreign "pools" to get as low as you're predicting.
They didn't negotiate down the total slotting for US draftees. Teams are spending more now than before, it's just distributed differently among the MLB teams.
(It also should push some kids to the US college system, which has benefits.)
Under NCAA rules, Division I baseball programs are allowed 11.7 scholarships to divide among a roster of about 35 players. In contrast, football offers 85 full scholarships for a roster of 70 and basketball offers 13 full scholarships for a roster of 15.
I think buscones will still get a healthy chunk of cash, if less than before. Players will still want to be showcased, trained
I thought last year there were still no bonus limits for international signings or the penalties for going over the limit were greatly reduced?
Only if those kids can afford to pay for college.
And I'm sure some teams would try to find a way to "hide" certain players too
Nature finds a way. It does happen, occasionally, with non-rich kids today
What makes you think some broke kid from the DR is going to take that risk?
Heyward was a top prospect according to everyone, so the Braves really failed at hiding him.
The Braves rated Heyward the best draft-eligible player in the country, ahead of more highly publicized prospects such as Vanderbilt pitcher David Price and high school third baseman Josh Vitters. Somehow, no other club rated Heyward that highly. How could that be? Baldwin smiled wryly when asked that question, paused a moment or two and finally said, "Ummm, what can I say and what can't I? ... Years from now I'll tell you."
The Braves have a cozy relationship with their backyard friends at East Cobb. Since 2000 they have drafted 18 players out of the program. They donate equipment to the organization through their foundation. Braves president and former general manager John Schuerholz sent his son, Jonathan, to play at East Cobb. Atlanta's scouts regularly attend tournaments and workouts there.
"We started really concentrating on East Cobb about 10 years ago," Schuerholz says. "We said, 'This is one of the top amateur programs in the country. Let's make sure we're at the forefront of culling talent out of our own backyard.' We were able to do that for a few years. And all things being equal, we may take the East Cobb player over another player if only because we see them so much and know them so well."
Eugene Heyward believes he knows why other teams were not as high on his son as the Braves: Baldwin and the team quietly downplayed his ability and visibility. They sandbagged the competition. "Roy Clark was a very shrewd man," Eugene says. "They wouldn't update his size information. I believe Jason went to a [showcase event] and was listed at 6'1", 198. Jason was 6'1", 198 maybe two months in his life. The Braves did an excellent job. They lowballed his size.
"Guerry played a part in that. He'd say, 'If you go hit for the Marlins, they're going to pick you.' Guerry is a Braves man. He and Clark and those guys, they did a number."
Says one general manager who passed on drafting Heyward, "The Braves have a history of doing that. [Georgia native Adam] Wainwright's medicals were bad—until it was their turn to pick. They did it with Francoeur and McCann. It's good baseball. They're good at it. You can go ask anybody in baseball and nobody had [Heyward] above Price and Vitters and those guys. He was not in the top five group."
But didn't other teams watch him play? Yes, but in his high school season before the draft, Heyward rarely saw pitches to hit. "I told Jason, 'You have to take your walks,'" Baldwin says. "'You can't change who you are. If scouts aren't smart enough to see that, tough. That's their fault.' He was smart enough not to fall into that trap. Most think, All these people are here to see me hit. They don't want to see me walk."
A top prospect, but not the guy who should have gone #2 overall that year.
Yeah, but if they manage to suppress his ranking from 2nd to 9th, that still doesn't really help a team picking 14th. They got Heyward because Milwaukee and Colorado made bad reach-picks.
BA ranked him 9th pre-draft
And still had him projected to go 14th, with only the Marlins (at 12) being an earlier possibility. I don't know how that doesn't scream to you that teams are lacking important information.
The compromise will probably be an escalating minimum based on service time -- which might actually screw over young fringe players in favor of older fringe players.
a massive increase in minor league salaries.
The Pope's Bootlick
I agree this would be an acceptable thing to get in return. A reduction in bonuses coupled with a tripling of salaries in the Dominican Summer League could be an improvement for both owners and players while hurting only the agents.
Do many players come out of those American academies? Aren't they more of a PR effort to stir up interest and get kids into school or Babe Ruth/American Legion programs?
Those programs don't exist in the DR. Will teams continue to fund DR academies when other teams can swoop in and draft "their" prospects? I wouldn't count on it.
Heh. Classy. And this, this idiocy, is straight from Higgs Bosun of a man who openly admires George Steinbrenner.
No. The current system gives teams a huge incentive to pick the $400,000 AAA reliever/bench guy over the $2 M veteran reliever/bench guy.
The huge return on a Mike Trout will always be there under any system that resembles the current one so there's little the Union can do about that. But the Union may be concerned about the old guys who are still having decent seasons (e.g. 2011 Derrek Lee) but not getting any interest. The only way to protect fringe veterans is to make the old/young returns more equivalent ... and obviously the Union would rather do that by raising the salaries of young players than by forcing veterans to either retire or offer to work at competitive wages.
In the current free for all system of purchasing lottery ticket international players, the big winners are the agents. The big losers are the poorer MLB teams.
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