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“It’s embedded. It’s institutionalized, so we have to be really, really vigilant in turning that around
Don't ask me what Liriano's problem is.
Player OBP BB PAMark Grace .386 946 8234Derrek Lee .378 448 4021Ron Santo .368 1040 8597Rick Monday .366 383 2972Billy Williams .365 905 9418Jose Cardenal .363 306 3274Leon Durham .362 419 3659Jim Hickman .362 302 2333Sammy Sosa .358 798 7898Ryan Theriot .350 210 2520Ryne Sandberg .344 761 9276Geovany Soto .342 243 2097Keith Moreland .341 308 3623Ron Cey .337 225 2108Ivan de Jesus .330 295 3275Jody Davis .313 307 3688
It's just as obviously true that such a thing was not embedded or institutionalized in the organization he took over. I hate when people come in with a bunch of fanfare, put an awful team on the field, and blame the people that came before them -- particularly when they do so with horseshit nonsense.
It's just as obviously true that such a thing was not embedded or institutionalized in the organization he took over
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cubs pitching has lead the league in walks (or been close) for a number of years now. It's a cliche, but the most important pitch in baseball is strike one.
Cubs Minor League Affiliates ranks in walksAAA 2012 13th/162011 Last/16AA2012 3rd /102011 Last/10A+2012 8th /122011 9th /12A2012 5th /162011 Last /16A-2012 3rd /82011 2nd /8
After being traded to Tampa Sam Fuld went on record as saying the Cubs actively discouraged walking in the lower levels. I don't think there is much to debate the fact that the Cubs failed to value plate discipline. Virtually all of their position player prospects have had poor walk rates - and some like Brett Jackson, Castro and Colvin - have been downright atrocious. Furthermore, as noted by others here, those who have drawn walks have been artificially inflated in that area by hitting in front of the pitcher.
And yet, inexplicably, Sam Fuld walked 23 times in 155 PAs as a Cub -- a walk rate of 14.8% -- and has walked 40 times in 453 PAs as a Ray, a walk rate of 8.8%.
These numbers are easy to find, by the way.
Or, the more logical explanation -- they used his decent walk rate as a selling point to flip him -- a utility-caliber player -- for a frontline starter before his walk rate fell. If Theo or some other saber-approved GM had done this, it would be lauded as a masterstroke of genius.
Please. Fuld was one of five players the Cubs traded for Garza, and he was, at best, the third most-valued player they traded (Chris Archer was the Cubs' best pitching prospect, and Hak-Ju Lee was a highly-regarded shortstop prospect).
Horseshit from top to bottom. OBP .005 and .004 below league average in 2010 and 2011, above league average in 2009, led the National League in 2008.
It might seem like swinging at better pitches is a mental thing that can be instilled whenever you have a sufficiently talented teacher and dedicated student, but I think that impression is deceiving.
And even if that's not what they were doing, there is, to state the obvious, a shite-ton of grey area between "fetishizing" walks and "actively discouraging" them.
Do you think Hendry said to Friedman, "Why don't you guys take Fuld, we actively discourage walks and look how much he walked ... just think how much he'll walk for you guys?"
So having a good batting average is somehow bad?
What more is it you want? They're Epstein's words, so I tested them.
I worked back in OBP from 2012 to 2008, saw that the Cubs had been a tad shy of league average in 2010 and 2011, above average in 2009, and first in the league in 2008, realized Epstein's claims were preposterous on their face, and said so.
That's the rule around here -- all inferences are drawn against Murray Chass; to spare Theo Epstein from even minor criticism, people bend over backwards to make up things Theo Epstein said.
This might be the most asinine thing SBB has ever said. More than any of the Jack Morris nonsense.
10. SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4282147)
It got worse in 2012 on his watch.
12. SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 24, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4282229)
It doesn't matter whether it got worse on his watch
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