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Over 6% of Greinke's MLB career HBP's have been doled out to Quentin... I know these guys were in the same division for a while, but that seems, um, high.
What do you do in a situation like this, where a player is injured due to fisticuffs? I would argue he stays suspended until Greinke can make his way back. That or a minimum 30 games.
This is all on Quentin and he should get a pretty severe suspension for going after Greinke like that.
On another note, why is Greinke making so much money? Yeah, I know, because someone decided to pay him that much. Yeah, he had that one transcendent season, 4 years ago. aside from that, he's been a good but hardly spectacular pitcher. Sort of a poor man's Mark Buehrle.
What do you do in a situation like this, where a player is injured due to fisticuffs? I would argue he stays suspended until Greinke can make his way back.
Hmm, I'm inclined to say that you punish the act, not the result. A guy who does the exact same thing that Quentin did to a pitcher with a stronger clavicle isn't exactly innocent, you know?
Hitters charging the mound should be suspended 50 games. I get the anger, but hitters hang over the plate, wear pads and then get incensed over a glancing blow. It's time the pendulum starts back the other way, I think. Give the inner half back to the pitchers.
On another note, why is Greinke making so much money?
Yeah, he had that one transcendent season, 4 years ago. aside from that, he's been a good but hardly spectacular pitcher. Sort of a poor man's Mark Buehrle.
i thought mlb had cut back on how much protective gear batters could wear?
#20 I think you can trace most of this back to Al Cowens/Ed Farmer. Farmer put two Royals on the DL (broken jaw, broken hand) in the same game and the league did nothing. Cowens (among others) was very upset. There was the sense that if the league's not going to do anything we'll have to take care of it ourselves.
Step one needs to be that guys who don't even try to avoid the ball shouldn't be awarded the free base. Quentin is the worst offender in MLB on this count.
And umpires need to call it a strike if a guy is hanging over the plate and gets hit with a ball in the strike zone.
The batter's welcome to cortort himself to get out of the way if he wants to avoid getting hit. David Ortiz is masterful at this, despite his size. But no batter should be required to even try.
Yeah, but Cowens hardly covered himself in glory on that one. After hitting a ball into play, he charged the mound and attacked Farmer, who had his back turned watching the ball.
Step one needs to be that guys who don't even try to avoid the ball shouldn't be awarded the free base.
Anyone ever seen it called?
Either the batter has to try to get out of the way, or only contact that is inside the actual batters box should count as a HBP. Any other rule is just insane.
Anyone ever seen it called?
One difference is that the injury occurred in a brawl , not part of the game.
the guy who started it should be suspended
#44 It was rather famously invoked during Don Drysdale's shutout streak. (He hit Dick Dietz with the bases loaded and Dietz wasn't awarded 1st)
“The only thing I’m going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I’ve never hit him on purpose,” Greinke said. “I never thought of hitting him on purpose. He always seems to think that I’m hitting him on purpose, but, I mean, that’s not the case. “I actually thought it was just a ploy to get people to not throw inside to him. I just feel like he’s trying to intimidate people to throw away. But I don’t know anyone who has hit him on purpose. I know I haven’t. Like I said, I hadn’t even thought about hitting him on purpose before.”
Thanks DK! A bit boring, but also gentlemanly, assuming that's the last thing he says about it.
mlb.com's Corey Brock got a Quentin quote:
“It’s unfortunate about the situation,” Quentin said. “It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that. For me, I’ve been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I’ve never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That’s it.”
If anything, this quote should get his suspension lengthened. He's clearly showing he intended to charge the mound BECAUSE Greinke hit him, not just because a pitcher hit him.
What do you mean by this?
Hitters charging the mound should be suspended 50 games.
He's only charging the mound because he assumes that there is this 'history' with Greinke that he made up in his head.
He decided before the at bat to do this.
He's only charging the mound because he assumes that there is this 'history' with Greinke that he made up in his head. He decided before the at bat to do this. The guy isn't just a rageholic, he clearly knew what he was doing.
I can tell you I’ve never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That’s it.”
MLB needs to stop allowing players to leave the bench...that will take care of a lot of these problems.
I don't think MLB wants 9 on 1 fights, and no team would ever allow their one guy to get pummeled (unless it was A.J.).
Catchers will always back up their pitchers, which already leads to a 2 on 1 situation. As long as the number of players on the field is always unequal, you can't employ the same rules as other sports.
With a beanball, both hitter and catcher should be suspended.
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