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Especially since Garnett so famously is such a paragon of exemplary on-court demeanor
I think David Robinson is better than Tim Duncan. Not by a ton, but by a noticeable edge.
It is hypothetical at this point...but, isn't the presumed impressiveness due in part to the acknowledgement of the difficulty of winning consecutively?
Figuring out what to do about guys playing fewer minutes in the NBA is interesting since it doesn't have a clear analogue in baseball; great players sit out a game here and there, but they don't take off chunks of games when healthy, the way some NBA players get rested for 12-15 minutes a night.
On the one hand, Garnett's time counts, as Spivey notes.
On the other hand, it's possible for a truly great player to be so dominant that he makes it unnecessary to play the entire game (since he gets his team so far ahead.) Short of that extreme, there are cases where playing your best player no longer adds to your win probability.
Teague stays w ATL, offer sheet matched.
Folks in Milwaukee - and only in Milwaukee, I think - surprised.
Aside from the trash talking, Garnett doesn't do anything that I would look askance at. And trash talking is nothing.
Robinsons' offensive game was pretty rudimentary. He had no opposite hand, no hook shot, and a lousy jumper. His offense consisted of pretty much of putbacks, dunks and free throws.
I always preferred Olajuwon's game to Robinson's. If nothing else, it was aesthetically marvelous.
On May 20 2000, Game 1 of the Western Conference finals between the Los Angeles Lakers and Portland Trail Blazers was preceded by the shocking news that Minnesota Timberwolves swingman Malik Sealy had died in a car crash just hours before the tip. The widely respected veteran had just celebrated the birthday of teammate Kevin Garnett the night before, and was driving back to his house when a previously-convicted drunk driver jumped the center line to crash head-on into Sealy’s SUV. Garnett was the last person Sealy saw before his untimely death.
Now a member of the Brooklyn Nets, he’s paid tribute to his late friend and teammate by choosing to wear no. 2 for his new team. Garnett was precluded from wearing the number in Boston, as it is retired in honor of Red Auerbach.
What other guys that won scoring titles had "rudimentary" offensive games?
The Pistons are quite interested in Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo, but they don’t have a package to offer that would attract president of basketball operations Danny Ainge to making a deal. The Celtics would presumably ask for emerging center Andre Drummond, who is as close to untouchable as a younger player can get. Detroit would like to send the Celtics Brandon Knight and an expiring contract, but that wouldn’t be nearly enough. Detroit doesn’t have a first-round pick to offer because of the Ben Gordon deal that gave the Bobcats the choice of a Pistons draft pick over the next four seasons...
opposing team will essentially just start 4 centers and pack the paint until it collapse right?
At first I thought no way KG isn't a top 15. He was at least a top 5, and I thought he should have been MVP that year. Then I realized, top 15 of all time.
Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Moses, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, Robinson. That's just the big men. Jordan, West, Magic, Robertson, Bird, James. Is KG better than Kobe, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Erving? He's got to be better than all of them to make the cut, it's a tough one.
1. Rank players as they belong now, not how you think it is likely that they end up. We can do another list down the road if we choose, but for now, rank Lebron as a 2x champion and 4x MVP who mysteriously disappeared to drive a cab in Boston after the 2013 season.
Since I have virtually nothing to contribute to the ranking in basketball terms, I'll throw in a scoring suggestion instead. I would add a small-but-viable bonus for making the top 50, maybe 5-10 points. (At 5 points, that would be 55, 54, 53... 8, 7, 6). The reason is that a player who's ranked #50 by 3 people and ignored by everyone else is probably better than a player who's ranked #48 by one person and ignored by everyone else. (The HoM does this in their vote tabulation system, I believe.)
And I've always thought 'count da ringzzz!!!' was a really dumb way to rank NBA players (similar to BBWAA voters just giving the CYA to the pitcher with the most wins or the MVP award to the hitter with the most RBI's), but honestly, as far as value goes, there probably isn't much difference between say, the 10th best player and the 25th.
Not sure if this makes sense, but what about using Honorable Mention...mentions as a tie-breaker when tabulating the ranks?
7. You can adjust this part as you like, but try to consider guys against their own competition. Don't put Blake Griffin ahead of Dolph Schayes just because he would crush him one-on-one.
I think the key is to separate playoff performance from count the rings. Playoff performance is important, more important than regular season games and played against higher competition and unlike baseball all these high level stars make the playoffs pretty much every single year and there are more playoff rounds, so all of them end up playing a non-trivial amount of playoff games (Duncan has played over 200, Karl Malone played 193 without winning a ring). Given how close most of the guys from 5-25 or so might be, the difference Duncan/Olajuwon playoff performance and Karl Malone/Garnett performance becomes a much bigger deal, but even someone without rings and very good playoff performance like Charles Barkley should still get added value as well.
Guys would take a tournament like that really seriously,
pettit: lack of speed? relative to now is what i hope you mean - he was decidedly not slow for his time.
"I should be able to play in the first game of the season," Rose told reporters at an adidas event in Spain, according to HoopsHype.com. "I know I'm anxious right now to play. My health is everything right now, it's 100 percent. But right now, the first game ... I will definitely be playing it."
Forbes ranked the 50 most valuable sports franchises in the world. 3 NBA teams made it: Knicks at 23, Lakers at 31 and Bulls at 47. Top 3 were soccer clubs, and 30 of the 50 were NFL teams (7 were MLB - NYY, LAD, BOS, CHC, PHI, NYM, SFG).
someone ought to pick tim ohlbrecht and/or james anderson on waivers.
Sixers claim both of them.
I find a lot of those rankings, objectively speaking, insane.
It is odd that more MLB teams don't break into the top 50 given their revenues, but I guess they're just not as sexy as some of those properties. (Though, what is the Ferrari F1 team worth without Ferrari behind it?)
So he's coming back better than he's ever been?
It's not all that odd. The NFL has a license to print money with the new labor deal.
The New York Knicks are the league’s most valuable team, worth $1.1 billion, reclaiming the crown from the Los Angeles Lakers, who topped last year’s list. The Knicks‘ value rose 41%, mainly due to a $980 million renovation of Madison Square Garden that is expected to be completed this summer. The makeover resulted in an NBA-leading $243 million in revenue last season. The Knicks‘ operating income of $83 million was the highest in the league for a third straight year. [Forbes]
RE: Knicks vs Lakers' value:
Knicks fans are something else. There is a commenter on Knickerblogger arguing that the J.R. Smith situation played out well for the Knicks because had teams known he was injured his value might have gone...up.
I hope the theory is that he could help a tanking team get to the salary floor without actually playing. That would be brilliant.
For better or for worse, much of the Knicks' value is tied up in MSG. I worked at 7 Penn Plaza for awhile (right next door to MSG) and it will take even more incompetence than even Jimmy Dolan can provide to kill that cash cow. Prime real estate in a city of prime real estate.
There is a commenter on Knickerblogger arguing that the J.R. Smith situation played out well for the Knicks because had teams known he was injured his value might have gone...up.
Riley confirmed that the Heat made an effort to retain undrafted guard Ian Clark for the Las Vegas summer league after the 3-point specialist thrived for the Heat in the Orlando summer league. Clark instead is playing with the Warriors' summer team in Las Vegas.
"It was too late in the process," Riley said. "So he's fulfilling a commitment. And so I think he should honor that, as much as we tried to dissuade him."
 I've been posting on message boards for a little over a decade now and I have never seen anyone with quite his ability to spin. He can find/fabricate a silver lining in literally every move the team makes. As an aside, I'm also not sure I've ever witnessed a board with quite so many regulars who apparently hate each other.
Mike Miller to be amnestied. I'm surprised...
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