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It strikes me that Poz's suggestion for the fan portion is more or less the system used to award the Hugo Awards for the best science-fiction books/stories of the year, and they seem to have remained respected.
I've heard that they're broken for other reasons, too - basically, that WorldCon members are territorial and skew so heavily old/white/male that the cool stuff that happens on the frontiers of the genre or is done by different voices.
I really dislike these extreme ideas to change the hof voting. I have no problem with the writers voting, my problem is only with them becoming senile and cranky old farts.
Am I the only person that doesn't think the HOF is "broken?"
The HoM is vastly superior and people are putting in a lot of work for a completely VOLUNTARY endeavor. The problem with the HoF can't be fixed by fixing the voting. There are people in it who don't belong. It doesn't need a reboot. It needs to be wiped out and replaced with something better. HoM is something better.
I think the process is fine and the last couple years are actually a point in its favor. On the other hand, the induction of Jim Rice is a travesty and makes it hard to take them seriously. So I don't know.
Except it takes a 75% vote total to get inducted. You can't call it common sense when that many people are going against it. If the Hall doesn't want "mistakes" to go in they need to do three things. First they need to limit who gets on the ballot in the first place, then they need to raise the minimum amount of votes one needs to stay on the ballot, and finally they need to limit how long you can stay on the ballot.
Give a player a 5 year limit and a minimum of 20% of the ballot to stay on and you have your "veto".
Good point. What city is the HoM located in? I want to take my son to see it.
You really think the 2013 shutout was a point in FAVOR of the voting process? And electing Rice (who I fully agree was a bad selection) was a bigger travesty than electing no one on a ballot with at least a dozen worthy candidates?
And these days, many things of importance live entirely on the internet. I'm willing to bet you "shop" at Amazon. Did you pile the kids in the car and drive there when you last did shopping from Amazon?
I'm willing to bet you "shop" at Amazon. Did you pile the kids in the car and drive there when you last did shopping from Amazon?
I think standards statistically need to be higher now, as proven by the fact that there are many many players meeting statistical standards over the next several years, far more than ever in the past. This is likely because conditioning and other advances make it easier to have a long career and to extend peaks for the top players, but whatever the reason for all these guys who stack up to players from a statistical (even era-adjusted) perspective, I don't think it really should result in more HoFers.
whatever the reason for all these guys who stack up to players from a statistical (even era-adjusted) perspective, I don't think it really should result in more HoFers.
The cries of the Hall of Fame being irretrievably broken are starting to sound like I did when I was 8 and my sister stepped on my Spider-Man hotwheels racetrack.
That would play right into the common (and pretty accurate) criticism of the Hall of Fame voters: that they have lost the ability to honor anyone, and can merely insult.
No tourism passes FROM THE NORTHWEST into Cooperstown
Booey, is it reasonable to expect the BBWAA inductees now to equal the BBWAA plus Vet electees for earlier decades? I'm not sure the comparison works.
@Booey:That includes VC voting, which the BBWAA shouldn't be held accountable for matching. And just because they elected Lou Brock his first year doesn't obligate them to immediately elect everyone as good as him as they become eligible. So let's wait until all the 90s eligible players are either elected or no longer on the ballot, then do a tally.
I like how you say that and then propose extreme ideas (retroactively applied votes? WTF?). I can't believe that people come to this site and don't give the HoM the respect it deserves. As I posted on RLRS, it's amazing that anyone even bothers with the HoF anymore. The HoM is vastly superior and people are putting in a lot of work for a completely VOLUNTARY endeavor. The problem with the HoF can't be fixed by fixing the voting. There are people in it who don't belong. It doesn't need a reboot. It needs to be wiped out and replaced with something better. HoM is something better.
Second the hall of merit is ok, but until they at least put up a decent website, it has no organization for a casual fan or follower it's just a collection of random web pages with people talking about it the votes, etc. They need put out a minimal front page with links to each person put in and maybe a few other links. It would take anyone with minimal web design ability 10 hours or so at most to put out a bare bones website that is navigatable and useful. (It would take at least 80 or so hours to make a decent web site, but since this is a web project, it should have some presence on the web)
The HoF is a museum, let it be that and move on.
until they at least put up a decent website
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