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That fact - and that they spent $50+ million investigating Bonds - means that there was something very _unusual_ about his investigation/prosecution.
? They tried to put him in jail. He was only convicted on the one BS count. And even after that conviction, prosecutors argued to the judge that he should serve 15 months anyway.
You're right about one thing: law enforcement rarely targets _users_ as opposed to dealers. But somehow that correct observation has led you to the incorrect conclusion. That fact - and that they spent $50+ million investigating Bonds - means that there was something very _unusual_ about his investigation/prosecution.
Maybe you prosecute someone for perjury when it's easy to prove that he lied, but you don't spend tens of millions of dollars trying to prove it.
I don't think it was "all about Bonds." It was about Maris.
There was. Bonds perjured himself during a grand jury investigation. That's what led to his prosecution, not the drug using.
? They tried to put him in jail. He was only convicted on the one BS count.
Jurors, six of whom spoke to the media after being dismissed but mostly used just their first names, felt it was obvious Bonds had something to hide when he testified before the grand jury on Dec. 4, 2003...
The jury voted 11-1 to convict Bonds of lying when he told the grand jury that no one other than his doctor ever injected him with anything.
Withstanding intense pressure from her colleagues to switch her vote, a juror named Nyiesha couldn't convict Bonds on that count. Nyiesha said she didn't believe the testimony of Bonds' personal shopper, Kathy Hoskins, who told the jury she watched Anderson inject the slugger in the belly button in 2002... "That was frustrating," Steve the juror said of the hold out. "Kathy Hoskins was the most credible witness."
#105, I have no idea what your point is.
#105, I have no idea what your point is.
A failure to convict is often no evidence of innocence.
But what the hell are we supposed to do, just hand out assumptions of guilt to anyone we believe guilty but can't prove?
Which has nothing to do with my point. I didn't claim he was innocent as a matter of fact; I claimed that they targeted him, and my evidence was that they don't typically spend tens of millions of dollars to investigate people for perjury and obstruction.
But your irrational hatred of him is duly noted.
Ray, you have this incredible knack for making a salient point, then completely distracting attention away from it by adding in the unnecessary and mean-spirited ad hominem trailer.
Incidentally, for those making the claim that the pre-testing era permitted PEDs, the necessity Bonds felt to lie about it under oath in front of a grand jury, I think, says something about how permissible he, and McGwire and the rest, thought it was.
The Texas Rangers were packing their gear after the final game of a road series last year when a player accidentally knocked over a small carry bag by his locker. Several vials of steroids spilled out and rolled on the clubhouse carpet. The player, hardly embarrassed or concerned, gave a slight chuckle and scooped them up. No one else in the room showed any surprise.
Steroid use, which a decade ago was considered a taboo violated by a few renegade sluggers, is now so rampant in baseball that even pitchers and wispy outfielders are juicing up--and talking openly among themselves about it. According to players, trainers and executives interviewed by SI over the last three months, the game has become a pharmacological trade show.
Caminiti: "It's no secret what's going on in baseball. At least half the guys are using steroids. They talk about it. They joke about it with each other. The guys who want to protect themselves or their image by lying have that right. Me? I'm at the point in my career where I've done just about every bad thing you can do. I try to walk with my head up. I don't have to hold my tongue. I don't want to hurt teammates or friends. But I've got nothing to hide.
The Verducci-Caminiti story says otherwise:
Bonds perjured himself during a grand jury investigation.
I can hardly wait for your analysis of what happened to Dave Parker's numbers during his snorting years.
So, Kevin is a huge racist too?
Vlad's a well-documented bigot, McCoy. It's the only explanation he would write something like that.
Yep, just look at Prince Fielder, Cecil Fielder, Hippo Vaughan, John Kruk, Babe Ruth . . . .
You don't think any of those guys might have been even more successful without all the weight?
So playing well but could could play better is now playing badly?
It's very possible that without that weight, they couldn't have played as many games.
Possible, but unlikely, when compared to the (very well-documented) accumulated degradation of joints in the legs that results from increased weight.
Well documented for people over 40...not for people in their late 20's and early 30's. Simple fact is there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence that being fat/overweight hurts a pro-baseball players career.
Simple fact is there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence that being fat/overweight hurts a pro-baseball players career.
If you magically remove 30 pounds of fat from Kruk you absolutely know that he'll be a better player?
But it also seems to be your opinion that if you take guys who have been big their entire life and make them skinny they'll play better and I have doubts about that.
Also, since Maris's name was brought up, what if Willie Mays broke Ruths single season HR record in similar fashion and was given an asterisk next to his name in the record books? What would the reason have been?
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