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Player H Born Age PA BABilly Butler 1124 1986 21-27 4208 .298Justin Upton 886 1987 19-25 3673 .275Andrew McCutchen 814 1986 22-26 3171 .296Elvis Andrus 796 1988 20-24 3289 .274Pablo Sandoval 782 1986 21-26 2895 .298Jay Bruce 780 1987 21-26 3406 .257Starlin Castro 692 1990 20-23 2617 .283Austin Jackson 641 1987 23-26 2574 .278Gerardo Parra 623 1987 22-26 2470 .277Alcides Escobar 617 1986 21-26 2578 .258
I wonder why the writer never mentioned that in the olden days, 3000 hits wasn't a clear benchmark like it is now, so people didn't stick around just to get it like they do in modern times - to cite a couple of examples, in the olden days Boggs, Biggio, and Henderson wouldn't have made it to 3000. Rice, Keeler, Beckley, Hornsby, Ott, Foxx, Medwick - notice how many of those are noted as people who dropped Cabrera's percentage.
The Browns were terrible, and nobody in the world would have blamed him for writing Rogers Hornsby in the lineup instead of the clowns he had playing for him.
edit: Haha, I guess that must be correct in light of #5 :)
Beyond that I doubt that many people knew how many hits Sam Rice actually had, including Sam Rice.
I spent an hour or two last night thinking about Billy Butler.
Apparently this guy isn't counting Carew as a 2B -- which is fine but by that criterion we don't know if Cano is a 2B yet or not either. More likely he just forgot about Carew.
Beltre has three move seasons in Texas and a good glove, so he will have to completely meltdown not to get there.
Beltre is probably my favorite MLB player and I'd love to see him reach 3000 hits, but he still has almost 600 to go and is entering his age 35 season. That's a lot of hits and he's no spring chicken; I'm not ready to declare it a fait accompli just yet. He starts showing decline this season and then suffers an injury next year... I could easily see how he peters out around 2700-2800.
As to Rickey Henderson, I don't think the era would've made the slightest difference.
Yep...think about the conversations we have had in the recent past about Damon, Vizquel and even Renteria...
Two of them aren't comparable at all. Renteria was at the edge of usefulness, and petered out 300 hits short of where Beltre is now. Vizquel squeezed every last bit out of his ML career, and was 40 when he was at the same hit level Beltre is now.
He's not a direct comparison to Beltre now, but my point was that we were having discussions with pretty good confidence on his ability to make it.
Curious where BTF posters would rank Beltre as an all-time 3rd-baseman?
I think he has a good chance to be in the conversation about top 10 all time.
Rk Player WAR/pos 1 Alex Rodriguez 116.02 Mike Schmidt 106.63 Eddie Mathews 96.14 Wade Boggs 91.05 George Brett 88.46 Chipper Jones 85.27 Brooks Robinson 78.48 Adrian Beltre 70.79 Ron Santo 70.610 Scott Rolen 69.911 Graig Nettles 67.912 Buddy Bell 66.013 Ken Boyer 62.914 Home Run Baker 62.415 Sal Bando 61.5
Maybe remove Arod from that list.
think about the conversations we have had in the recent past about Damon, Vizquel and even Renteria...
Still would've loved it if someone signed him up for another year or two...would've been fun to have him in SanFran with Bonds at cleanup if they just didn't play the same position.
In 2008, the Hall of Merit ranked
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