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I admit that I didn't see that much of Jack Wilson, but Jack Wilson? Did I miss something?
I looked at the catcher methodology, and found Johnny Bench about 2/3 of the way down the list, right after Jody Davis.
I remember Jody Davis. This is not right.
His first couple seasons he was just terrible... couldn't block pitches in the dirt to save his life, couldn't throw anyone out,
This list seems way too tilted towards modern players; only one guy who played the bulk of his career before 1960.
So, you're saying the methodology is pretty much much worthless for the old-timers?
For the pre-PBP era, Total Zone includes a regression factor which limits the extent of fielding runs above or below the mean.
Pos. Greatest All-Time ...
1B Keith Hernandez
That out of 16 players, not one played in the aughts, teens, twenties and the first 8 years of the thirties is reasonable and logical and produces reasonably normal looking results?
I've never heard of Paul Blair before.
Looking at the firstbaseman list, and I'm shocked to see Pujols not on the list at all among top 40. There is no way Teix is that much better.
c Johnny Bench or Buck Ewing (an almost impossible comparison because of the vast difference in equipment and rules)
1B Charlie Comiskey (with credit for inventing a lot of what is now modern 1B defense)
2B Bill Mazeroski
3B Jimmy Collins (basically did invent modern 3B play)
SS Rabbit Maranville (he played 25 years and hit WHAT?)
LF Fred Clarke, if you're only allowing LF to compete
CF Curt Flood or Tris Speaker
RF Roberto Clemente, if only RF can compete
He doesn't qualify because it's restricted to guys who mostly played one position. I think that knocks out Andruw Jones too.
Bernard Gilkey? That's the weirdest name.
All time worst list should include
I guess the inclusion of Barry Bonds means this list is only about fielding ability and not throwing?
Moreland certainly had nothing to brag about.
Does that make any sense to you? - Brock
The idea is this: because of Three True Outcome (3TO) analysis, it may no longer be possible for a modern fielder to be as valuable on defense as the old-timers were.
Rabbit Maranville was the anti-Derek Jeter. Maranville played forever despite not being able to really hit major league pitching, because he was still a very very good glove as he approached 40.
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