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He's the Karl Malone of MLB? He even has one Ring he didn't really "earn"
Anything else is just old maids gossip
Karl Malone doesn't have a ring.
And those are all examples of things that people might have actually gotten caught for while they were speaking out against them. Thomas was speaking out against something people weren't taking any action against imploring them to START taking action against them.
Also, politicians can benefit from speaking out against things by gaining political capital among likeminded people. That is essentially how they insure they continue to make a living. Baseball players are judged on their athletic merits in everything but endorsements, and given the lack of public presence of steroids it's extremely unlikely that Thomas gained any endorsement deals by being against steroids
Spitzer, Armstrong and A-Rod were running short cons to protect themselves against suspicion for something they could get caught for. You are accusing Thomas of running an incredibly long con, all while he was already extremely successful and well-paid to try to misdirect people from something he couldn't be caught for unless the changes he was petitioning for were actually passed.
It's not even remotely comparable
And if that offends you, then you might consider how Frank Thomas feels hearing all this BS surrounding him.
Prior to the truth becoming known in the mid/late 00s, the anti-anti-steroid brigade never would have acceded to the "if there's no evidence, I can still openly suspect him" standard being applied to their heroes. Their application of it to Thomas and others is therefore pure phony.
My bad. I thought he weaseled into one late with the LAL's. They lost to DET in the Finals.
My only point in all of this is that steroids discussions should be focused solely on those players who have credible evidence against them that they actually used steroids, a category that doesn't include Thomas.
As far as his WAR not being near the top in many of his best years, yeah he was a terrible fielder (he literally threw like an average preteen girl), but I think WAR overstates the magnitude, good or bad, for first basemen as fielders.
Malone actually played extremely well that postseason, up until he hurt his knee in the Finals. He tried to play through it but was ineffective. Had Malone been healthy the Lakers might have had a chance against the Pistons, and he would have definitely earned his ring.
I had forgotten Thomas was on the White Sox the year they won the WS (probably because Thomas did not play in the postseason). I thought he'd already moved on to Toronto or Oakland.
Andy, Frank Thomas just called everyone who finished ahead of him in close MVP races cheaters. Is that your idea of a man of high moral character?
If Thomas had named actual names, I'd be jumping all over him.
1991: Third behind Cal Ripken, Cecil Fielder
1997: Third behind Ken Griffey, Tino Martinez
2000: Second behind Jason Giambi
2006: Fourth behind Justin Morneau, Derek Jeter, David Ortiz
You heard it here first: FRANK THOMAS SAYS CAL RIPKEN, KEN GRIFFEY, DEREK JETER TOOK STEROIDS.
“I was the one player who was hurt the most,” said Thomas, who won back-to-back American League MVP awards in 1993 and ’94. “All those years I finished second, third, fourth behind those guys, I probably could have won four more MVPs.”
But I doubt if Thomas even knows who finished above him in the unnamed years he alluded to,
and was much more likely just expressing his views about the whole steroid phenomenon in general.
Of all the people I'd least expect literal-minded PC-ness from, it's you. But apologies if you meant your comment as tongue in cheek.
Thomas was my favorite player. I was pretty pissed when he lost the 2000 MVP
Totally agree with that. Jeff Bagwell's a prime example of a player victimized by (some) writers who can't distinguish unsupported accusations from credible evidence.
It's sad about Frank Thomas' six MVP Awards, but if anyone's truly been victimized by these drug monsters, it's the writers.
Can anyone honestly suggest that the magnitude of the effect of steriod usage on the MVP vote is somehow anywhere near the magnitude of the capriciousness of the sportswriters who vote on the awards?
However Frank is one of those that can plausibly claim it; he has a pretty good case even.
Thomas had a great career, played to age 40, made over 100 million, and won 2 MVP awards. That's 1, maybe 2 more awards than he probably deserved, even after removing the roiders from the equation. He may have been the best hitter in the league, but not the best all around player.
In all honesty, Kobe is one of my all-time favorite athletes in any sport but after watching that dude all these years, I am more inclined to think that he had used PEDs at some point in his career.
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