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that sort of RBI total with that sort of SLG has a very few other cases.
Who were the "dominant" AL pitchers during that time? Bret Saberhagen? Frank Viola? Dave Stewart?
Best Yankee to spend his entire career as a Yankee, and never go to the world series. Not too sure this really helps him though.
This kind of #### is Exhibit A when people point out that there's a pro-Yankee bias in awards voting.
Rk Player RBI SLG Year Age Tm Lg G PA H 2B 3B HR BB SO BA OBP OPS Pos
1 Mike Sweeney 144 .523 2000 26 KCR AL 159 717 206 30 0 29 71 67 .333 .407 .930 *3D
2 Vern Stephens 144 .511 1950 29 BOS AL 149 693 185 34 6 30 65 43 .295 .361 .872 *6
3 Zeke Bonura 138 .482 1936 27 CHW AL 148 688 194 39 7 12 94 29 .330 .426 .908 *3
4 Vern Stephens 137 .471 1948 27 BOS AL 155 715 171 25 8 29 77 56 .269 .350 .821 *6
5 Dale Alexander 135 .507 1930 27 DET AL 154 660 196 33 8 20 42 56 .326 .372 .878 *3
6 Moose Solters 134 .467 1936 30 SLB AL 152 676 183 45 7 17 41 76 .291 .336 .802 *7/8
7 Cecil Fielder 133 .513 1991 27 DET AL 162 712 163 25 0 44 78 151 .261 .347 .860 *3D
8 Vic Wertz 133 .465 1949 24 DET AL 155 695 185 26 6 20 80 61 .304 .385 .851 *9
9 Irish Meusel 132 .509 1922 29 NYG NL 154 676 204 28 17 16 35 33 .331 .369 .877 *7
10 Miguel Tejada 131 .508 2002 28 OAK AL 162 715 204 30 0 34 38 84 .308 .354 .861 *6
[Bill] James argued in the 1986 Abstract that Henderson not Mattingly was the 1985 MVP
Though he also said in that Abstract that George Brett was deserving of the '85 MVP.
Mattingly started at 28% in Hall of Fame voting. I think if you studied it, there are relatively few players who started at 28% in the Hall of Fame voting and DIDN'T eventually get in. Mattingly has gone backward from there and may run out of time to get in in the BBWAA vote, but the Hall of Fame--which is a museum of the State of New York--has always been extremely kind to New York players.
Mattingly was a good player and he will go into the Hall of Fame
I think historically players like Mattingly have generally gone into the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame has always had a New York bias (it is, after all, a museum of the state of New York), and Mattingly is--and deserves to be--extremely well liked by the press.
Absent injuries, Mattingly would have cleared the Hall of Fame standard with comparative ease.
we estimated Don Mattingly's career won-lost contribution at 243-127.
[James then explains that that is worse than Keith Hernandez at 289-120, but...] Mattingly is still 116 win shares above .500 by our estimates. That's still a Hall of Fame type number.
If Mattingly was elected to the Hall of Fame I would be very pleased, because Mattingly is a good guy and he is a qualified Hall of Famer by the standard of who has been elected in the past.
Although he ranks only 16th in this group of players in a technical analysis, I feel that Don Mattingly should be in the Hall of Fame, and if I had a ten-man ballot I would try to make room for Mattingly on it. Mattingly was a truly great player, if only for a few years. His period of brilliance was shortened by back trouble, but, to me, a man who is actually a great player for a few years ranks ahead of a player who hangs around and accumulates value. Thus, although my numbers put Harold Baines ahead of Mattingly, I don’t know that I would vote it that way.
the Hall of Fame--which is a museum of the State of New York--has always been extremely kind to New York players.
Pedro Guerrero, Andy Van Slyke, George Foster, Willie McGee, Mario Soto, Mike Scott, and Fernando Valenzuela are a few others that I can vaguely recall being talked about as "best in baseball" -- but whom no one would say are HOFers.
Mattingly's peak was sharply curtailed by the back injury. People hold that against a player less than normal decline. See Puckett, Kirby.
1985 Don Mattingly. 4.60 RPG league. 98 park factor. Generally batted 3rd, sometimes 2nd. When he batted 3rd the #2 hitter would have been either Randolph (OBP>SLG) or Griffey. To drive in that many runs without that many HR, you need a lot of help from the baserunner - who would have been Rickey Henderson at the height of his powers.
I think it's fairly safe to say he's the best in the game right now.
Looking back on it now it seems silly, but in those days, Mattingly was widely considered "The Man."
I think this is greatly overstated. There are plenty of borderline candidates who played for New York teams but appear to have little chance of getting in - not just Mattingly but Nettles, Munson, Hernandez, Gooden, Strawberry, Guidry, Willie Randolph, Elston Howard...
NY does have a lot of overlooked HOF candidates that would not be terrible selections like Hernandez, Nettles and even Randolph
Joe Gordon made it a few yrs ago and Allie Reynolds nearly did but under the Golden Era format Reynolds has almost no chance
Neither Santo nor Brock played for a single team.
if Santo or Boyer played in New York, they would have both made the hof on the writer's ballots. If Trammell and Whitaker were New Yorkers (or even Bostoners) they would be in also.
I think one of the bigger bias's out there is single team bias.
1984 to 1987 (Mattingly's peak), Top 10 by WAR:
Whitaker got bumped off the ballot with just 2.9% of the vote, and you're saying that if he'd been in New York or Boston he would have picked up an extra 73%? I've heard of "media bias" accusations, but that one beats them all.
Count da ringzzz.
Any HoF Yankee bias is a VC bias -- which is to say "them boys has always made some strange decisions."
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