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“I am absolutely amazed that Craig did not get in on the first ballot,” Bagwell said in an interview with FOX 26 Sports. “I hurt for him because I know it means a ton to him.
“I hurt for Craig because you’re talking about 3000 hits and you don’t get in on the first ballot, that sucks. He deserves to be in right now.”
“For me, it’s okay by me about me,” Bagwell said.
Jeff Bagwell: “I hurt for Craig”
Baseball allowed it. I consider myself an old school fan but this is ridiculous.
These holier than thou writers are a joke. And quite frankly, the holier than thou posters on this site and others that would disqualify Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds from the Baseball Hall of Fame. For what? They CHEATED? Cheated who? The kid in triple A who wasn't called up? Cry me a river, Bonds was not taking his spot and everyone was using, even the replacement level players, even the pitchers.
“I hurt for him because I know it means a ton to him.”
“For me, it’s okay by me about me,”
The writers are a sanctimonious joke, but the players who cheated require some punishment. These players took the place of clean players, may have caused other clean players to start taking steroids, and created an unfair playing field against the clean players.
I think players who did NOT use steroids should be punished. They cheated the game and the fans of their best efforts, and i would never allow even one of those lazy prigs into the HOF, regardless of their "natural" performance level.
well then how do you feel if we start a movement to remove all the records from the record books in the 1990s?
There's clean records there, too.
but that's because they were HOFers before they cheated
When exactly did they start cheating?
gaining 40 pounds of muscle in a year
And baseball's a team game, so you could never remove the accomplishments of a team for the infraction of one player. If someone cheated, they get punished. It's a simple rule and a simple solution.
Well, either that, or your dad is on steroids. Have you checked his back for acne lately?
I was talking to my 63-year old father last night. He's been going to a gym for the last 3 months, and has gained 10 lbs of muscle since he started. Any 20-something with a mesoporphic build could put on 40 lbs of muscle in an offseason with the right diet and dedication, assuming they weren't already bulked up when they started.
Nomar, Bagwell, Caminiti, Reyes...injuries that are atypical.
My kingdom for a story/thread that has nothing remotely to do with steroids.
Unfortunately MLB has allowed the BBWAA to completely destroy any ability to process the HOF season without this sort of thing. I think one random baseball beat writer (over the age of 40) should be publicly shot and killed every year until Barry Bonds is inducted into the HOF. this is idiotic.
players in their twenties don't have injuries like he did, for the most part, without something externally added to the mix.
Every fall, I see multiple 17 year olds who have done it. This is not evidence of steroid use.
For professional athletes, who are already entering the offseason with a decent amount of muscle mass...
That just doesn't happen, even with elite athletes. People fool themselves into thinking that the gain is all muscle, but a lot of it is also water and fat. You just can't process that much protein into muscle that quickly. If you gain 15 pounds of muscle in a year you've done great.
From Reyes' Bio: On March 11, 2010, Reyes was diagnosed with a hyperactive thyroid gland, and was ordered by doctors to cease spring training activity. - Please list the volumes of players who miss time due to a hyperactive thyroid gland. Reyes was the first I had heard of but perhaps, back before 1998, there were some that I am unaware of them.
They started using the first season where there's good evidence they used
You could do it, if you cared enough. I could do it, if I cared enough.
He's been going to a gym for the last 3 months, and has gained 10 lbs of muscle since he started.
When I look for hints on steroid users, bodies that stop working over and over again is one I look for and pay attention to. ... Those that used as a regimen had their bodies break down eventually... Yes, Jeter too! To think otherwise is being naive.
Two things: was this accurately measured and large gains for an older person, who was likely very under conditioned, are not particularly unusual over a short period. Ask him in 6 months if he's gained another 20 lbs of muscle.
I haven't seen any before and after pics of his balls
Agreed. Have you seen all the mass Mac tacked on in season seven?
My dad is doing high-rep, mid-weight machine work four days a week, plus walking and stationary bike work. He's not trying to bulk up, not taking any kind of supplements or eating additional protein. He told me that he's gone from 205 to 215, and kept the same notch on his belt buckle.
That is not what I said. I did not say that using steroids causes bodies to break down, I stated that when there is an unusual break down of the body (breaking down before age norms, significant reoccurring injuries, Etc.) then I assign blame to usage.
Each person responds differently to what they take. Two people can take on the same regimen and respond to it completely differently. However, when one of those persons has their body deteriorate in an abnormal way, you can be sure of the cause.
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