Go to end of page
Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.
Page 1 of 2 pages
That's certainly a legitimate POV, but given the context we're now in, it would still be a hamhanded move that would certainly meet with a huge amount of resistance,
since it would be clearly sending a one-sided message to the voters.
And what if the anti-steroids writers simply refuse to vote for Bonds & Co. anyway, which at this point would almost certainly be the case. What next? Strip them of their votes?
Which is exactly the point of those who keep pushing for those instructions. They're pissed that their views on steroids don't seem to be shared by 75% of the HoF voters, and knowing that, they want to try to rig the results in their favor.
It seems that most of the folks pushing for 'clarification' from the HOF are writers who are either not voting (see, e.g. TJ Quinn) or writers who are already witholding their votes against purported steroid cheats. I must have read that line in at least a half dozen ballot articles this year.
What he said was that (1) Writers should not make the news (which is why his former paper doesn't allow its news/sports writers to vote for awards); and (2) no unimpeachably correct philosophy regarding the Steroid Era commends itself to voters.
I'll add to 14 the fact that this is among the very best summaries of the Steroid Era and the HOF penned by anyone:
2- The steroids issue has made it impossible to conduct a rational vote and cast a reasonable ballot. No matter how a writer votes or on what he bases his decision whom to vote for or not to vote for, his reasoning has to be flawed and open to challenge.
I can understand the HOF saying "Get suspended for violating the rules, you're off the ballot"
Writers would then pretend steroid use was against the rules and continue to not vote Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, etc.
Are they just mad because there are more voices to challenge them now?
That makes sense, but then what explains all the time, effort and anger spent by so many people here who seem to spend half their waking hours railing against these writers for daring to question their statistical Gods?
Barring a change in my thinking, which I don’t expect,
In his 1st 2 World Series in 84 and 91, Jack Morris was 4-0 with a 1.54 ERA in 5 starts and 41 Innings Pitched #JackMorrisAwarenessWeek
Jack Morris' ERA+ is tied for 478th all-time with Javier Vazquez, Mike Witt, Denny Neagle, Ed Figueroa and Ken Holtzman. #JackMorrisAwarenessWeek
The writers didn't "disregard" amp use; the idea that something so trivial could keep someone out of the HOF -- or that it should even weigh on their HOF chances -- never tinctured their consciousness
The great majority of it in the past few years has mainly been spent defending unjustly accused players against the Chasses and the Gumbels, not that you'd ever acknowledge that.
The rest of it has been spent wondering why people like you spend so much time worrying about an institution that you've proclaimed time is irrelevant.
But they don‘t have a formula for intestinal fortitude or determination.
Contra Murray Chass above ("I believe the time has come to relinquish my right as a 10-year member of the Baseball Writers Association of America to vote in the Hall of Fame election."), voting is not a right.
I didn't know bloggers could vote for the HOF.
Why is Chass such a bitter old man? My god. He got feted for a crappy career which seemed, at times, to consist of simply downloading MLB salary data into his articles. He was a boring, unimaginative writer and he never seemed to make very interesting arguments. And he was paid well and praised for this mediocre work. Now he's mad. If the guy had any perspective, he'd laugh.
I think spite motivates just about everything Murray does these days. What a sad little man.
I know Murray Chass is a lightning rod around here and I disagree with him on plenty of things, but it's inaccurate to say he had a "crappy career" or that he churned out "mediocre work." Murray almost single-handedly pioneered the coverage of the business side of MLB, from the labor wars and collective bargaining agreements to contract negotiations, team sales, and the commissioner's office. If the 65 J.G. Taylor Spink Award winners were whittled down to a "small Hall" 30, Murray should still keep his.
"Don't worry about him, he's just a hateful crank that should have died in 1980."
You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.
Login to Join (1 members)
Page rendered in 0.6113 seconds, 58 querie(s) executed