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Really seems like a step backwards after the BBWAA opened membership to Fangraphs, Prospectus, and of course Neyer and Law to begin with.
But progress really is being made. Yes, the BBWAA seems to have something against SB Nation. But what are you gonna do?
by Rob Neyer on Jan 7, 2013 10:05 PM EST up reply
Rob should probably be a different case from most of their writers, but SBNation really shouldn't qualify someone for BBWAA membership.
SBNation really shouldn't qualify someone for BBWAA membership.
I suspect that the BBWAA would refute my argument by noting that they do more than just vote on awards but that gets back to the issue of the voting body. It's pretty ridiculous that Neyer doesn't warrant a vote.
The BBWAA's purpose for existing is to improve/maintain working conditions for writers at the ballpark, something that has never been part of Rob's job (to the best of my knowledge).
Essentially, the problem isn't the BBWAA itself, but is instead the fact that MLB and the HoF both give it near-exclusive influence over matters about which baseball fans are passionate.
One could argue that Neyer should have awards/HoF voting privileges, but not be a member of the BBWAA.
SoSH is technically correct, but the BBWAA has enough editors, cartoonists etc that never had reason to need to get to the ballpark in it that it can't claim much consistency on only admitting members that need access to ballparks.
In this day and age I think it's somewhat silly to have the organization one is affiliated with be a meaningful factor about whether one qualifies as a baseball writer. Neyer has been at this for 15 years now and I imagine gets read by as many eyeballs as any mainstream outlet writer gets.
As for whether I still "write" ... that's up to the readers to decide. Depends on your definition, I guess. I do a lot of typing, that's for sure.
Just to clear up another misconception, above ... I have spent a lot more time in press boxes, over the last two seasons, than a significant percentage of BBWAA members, let alone Hall of Fame voters. For whatever that's worth.
Well, that's the argument for keeping steroid suspects out of the HoF, too, in a nutshell.
Either you missed my point or I don't understand what you're getting at.
The existence of flawed practices in the past aren't a terribly good argument for further flawed practices, any more than Rube Marquard is a good argument for Jack Morris.
I write many pieces every week that are longer than 500 words. I'm sure there are any number of valid criticisms of my work, but I'm not sure writing oodles of 500-word columns is one of them. You might want to check the archives.
Thanks for the compliment. I'm not so sure how readable I am but I definitely got the "throw enough against the wall and some of it will stick" routine going for me.
The existence of flawed practices in the past aren't a terribly good argument for further flawed practices, any more than Rube Marquard is a good argument for Jack Morris. Individual chapters have had standards that are far too loose, and the BBWAA should make efforts to tighten those. It doesn't justify just letting someone into the organization because we want them to have a perk of membership.
Yes, but you're not taking account of the fact that Neyer was already in. Throwing him out, but not the Golfers West guys or the cartoonists or the Chass now-bloggers is clearly vindictive rather than a genuine attempt to restrict voters to the core mission (especially if he HAS been spending more time in press boxes, as he says and we have no reason to disbelieve). If he has been kicked out, this is an agenda rather than a genuine effort to focus on the stated mission.
Realistically, Neyer should never have been granted membership in the first place. The BBWAA's purpose for existing is to improve/maintain working conditions for writers at the ballpark, something that has never been part of Rob's job (to the best of my knowledge).
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about Neyer not being at the park, SoSH.
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