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Commit to one, trade the other.
I'd throw Adam LaRoche into the mix of marginal 1B the Yankees may acquire. The Nats can't play him and Zimmerman at 1B, and Zimmerman can't play 3B any more.
You saw that throw, huh?
Ike Davis to the Yankees. Dellin Betances to the Mets.
Dellin Betances has no value. He's a 27-year-old minor league reliever with shitty control. I wouldn't trade Ike Davis for three of him.
billyshears: No, it's just yet another in an endless string of "let's trade Nonprospect X for another team's useful player!" pipe dreams from Yankees fans and media, who sincerely believe that being in the Yankees system automatically qualifies anyone as a desirable prospect.
Which is all Morneau was worth, right? He wasn't hitting that much and the Pirates only got two months of him. A possible future middle reliever is all I'd expect a team to get for two months of an old first baseman whose hitting is barely adequate for a first baseman.
Davis at the moment certainly isn't any great shakes, game-winning PH grand slam notwithstanding, but it's a little early to say that THE MARKET HAS SPOKEN, I think. I don't think the Mets should have any problem holding him for a better-than-average offer and seeing if he appreciates as they wait. It's not like depreciation is going to affect anything right now.
Even if he turns the corner with a new team, he's going to get expensive fast, if he produces.
My point is, if he has a good 2014, you're not going to have a bargain on your hands in 2015, especially the way arb overvalues HR/RBI.
In 2012 he put up a 111 OPS+ and 1.0 WAR. That's not fine.
Dellin Betances has zero MLB service time and is throwing 95-98 MPH right now. That has value. Even a mid-range short reliever at the league minimum is valuable. Given what his prospect rating was, and where the velocity is, there's certainly still a lot of upside.
It's also kind of silly to write off Betances as a total nonentity, as some people in this thread (not you) are doing. He's got some holes in his profile, but two years ago he was #63 in BA's top 100 prospects. There's a reason for that.
And they ranked Lars Anderson #17 in 2008.
What they thought of him 2 years ago is irrelevant to what you have now.
what you have right now is a guy with an upper 90s fastball who put up a 2.68 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, and 11.6 K/9 in AAA last year
I admit ignorance about Betances and his abilities, but aren't the minors littered with relievers that have stats like that?
There's a big difference between 2008 and 2012.
And in Betances, what you have right now is a guy with an upper 90s fastball who put up a 2.68 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, and 11.6 K/9 in AAA last year
as well as a 0.73 ERA, 0.73 WHIP, and 11/4 K/BB in 12 1/3 spring innings.
He was the lesser prospect received in a trade for 1/3 seasons of Marlon Byrd and John Buck.
Betances was in the International League last year. Among qualified pitchers in that league (by B-R's standards), there were a total of six other guys with 10 or more K/9 (to Betances's 11.6), a WHIP of 1.20 or less (to Betances's 1.12), and an ERA below 3.00 (to Betances's 2.68). In addition to Betances, you've got Victor Black, Fernando Nieve, Steve Geltz, Joel Carreno, Jose De La Torre, and Preston Guilmet. All are decent enough relief candidates, but with the exception of Black, none has anything close to Betances's size or stuff.
(Nobody in the PCL met those marks. If you bump the standard up to a 3.50 ERA, you add one pitcher - Brewers reliever Will Smith, a lefty swingman who likewise lacks Betances's raw heat. If you drop it down to 9.0+ K/9, you also add Padres SP prospect Burch Smith.)
The difference between 2008 and 2010 is the same, as the difference between 2012 and 2014. See how that works.
With a walk rate of 4.5 per 9 (which I guess for him is progress at least), with unsustainably low hit and HR rates.
Really? 12.1 innings of spring training?
That information also presumably makes it less likely that there's still hope for him as a starter.
In addition to Betances, you've got Victor Black, Fernando Nieve, Steve Geltz, Joel Carreno, Jose De La Torre, and Preston Guilmet.
So because one top-100 prospect (a first baseman, no less) ended up as a bust after looking good six years ago, Betances is a bad bet today? I don't really follow your logic.
but two years ago he was #63 in BA's top 100 prospects. There's a reason for that.
The point is, relying on scouting reports from three years ago, is something Ruben Amraro Jr would do.
not saying he would turn into mike easler
Randy Johnson, who I believe someone up above alluded to, was:
A. effective in AA despite walking too many people;
B. effective in AAA despite walking too many people; and
c. effective in the MLB at age 26 despite walking too many people (though at a 108 ERA+ was nowhere hear the beast he would become)
Was this written before or after Ike's pinch-hit walk-off grand slam last night?
Why don't you click the link and find out?
The RJ anology is only for the proposition that ultra-tall hard throwers are often the last guys to figure it out.
That guy is worth 1 WAR. That's what Davis did in 2012. No one is happy with that at 1B.
The Mets aren't, they benched him for Lucas Duda.
Betances may have a better chance of being REALLY GOOD in the future than Ike does- he's probably got a 5% chance and Ike's is 1%- but Ike has probably an 80% chance of being at least useful, and Betances odds are probably no more than 33.3%
Even if Betances works out to be an extraordinarily successful reliever, his ceiling is lower than that of Davis.
Just as well if he can't fetch anything more valuable than Ike Davis. He hit 99MPH last week, if you're going to count on a rookie in the bullpen you want it to be one who can hit 99MPH.
if you're going to count on a rookie in the bullpen you want it to be one who can hit 99MPH.
And / or the broad side of a barn.
4 walks in 9 innings at the AAA level still is still pretty bad.
Is 3.9 walks per 9 innings all that different than 4 walks per 9 innings?
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