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Yeah, it's amazed me that there have no been no PED scandals in the NBA. In fact, does the NBA even have a PED policy? I don't know of one.
1st Maravich, Frazier, Kareem, Erving, Barry
But he looks to me a like a very high-usage gunner who could make spectacular plays but who often couldn't be bothered to play defense.
First thing that jumps out at me is that you leave Allen Iverson off your 2000's All Star teams. Maybe Iverson is hard to peg since he was a sort-of Point Guard/Shooting Guard morph. In any event, I have Iverson slightly ahead of Nash and Kidd, and significantly ahead of Billups and Allen.
There is also a 1972 NBA vs ABA ASG, which I was not aware had happened. Chamberlain, Robertson, Havlicek, DeBusschere, Archibald, Gilmore, Barry, Dr. J, Issel, Daniels...
Duncan played plenty of PF, especially when Robinson was still there. So if you think he's ahead of KG, it would be less of a cheat/position slide than some of the other ones you mentioned making.
If we were ranking the top 50 players who made the NBA a great entertaining league (which is an important metric), Iverson would be on my list.
Dikembe-aided drive to the Finals
But even his sympathetic biographer basically said that all his teammates hated playing with him, that he would forego productive passes for showy ones (unlike Magic),
He seems like a player with all of Iverson's flaws but without his amazing durability and toughness
Dikembe that year was voted Defensive Player of the Year. I don't know of any other player in any sport who won such an accolade in a year that he was traded.
elias harris to the lakers, 2 yr, some guaranteed money in year 1. man, they love gonzaga dudes, don't they?
Phil on weighing Shaq pre-season: "There's not a scale that could weigh him. You'd have to take him to a granary."
The Pacers will send Miles Plumlee and a lottery-protected first-round pick in 2014 to Phoenix along with Gerald Green to complete the trade, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.
I don't get why WS/48 likes David Robinson so much more than Hakeem. They shot similar percentages, averaged the same amount of points, had similar rebounding numbers, were both great shot blockers and got huge number of steals for centers. There's no way Robinson was significantly better than Hakeem. I just don't why Hakeem's best seasons would be significantly worse than Robinson's career average.
Honestly, it makes me question the validity of the stat.
I don't get why WS/48 likes David Robinson so much more than Hakeem. They shot similar percentages,
In Robinson's last year, he was the second best player on an NBA championship. A lot that credit is often given to Duncan for carrying a weak cast, but a lot should be given to Robinson too. It's worth pointing out that Robinson always had the dirty work of guarding Shaq, and the title always went through one of those two teams. Even Robinson's last year, he had to guard Shaq.
The Phoenix Suns have traded forward Luis Scola to the Indiana Pacers for forward Gerald Green, center Miles Plumlee and a lottery-protected first-round draft pick.
It strikes me, looking at these lists, that intelligence must be very useful at the highest level of basketball. I've seen nearly all of the top guys interviewed, met a few even, and they are generally VERY smart, much more so than a random sampling of people, let alone a random sampling of athletes. I don't think that would be true of the baseball top 50 list.
I'm not sure Jordan or LeBron or Bird is a high intellect but it is interesting to hear them break down plays; they obviously process at a very high rate of speed mentally. Karl Malone is the first person on the list whom I've never thought of as seeming especially bright, but 1) even as a southerner, it is easy to let the accent overpower your judgment and 2) he's apparently been a successful businessman so he must have something on the ball.
But I'm not talking about comparing their best season or averages throughout their careers. I'm talking about the fact that Hakeem's best year is worse than Robinson's career average.
That's an interesting observation. The best basketball players certainly seem more verbal than the best football or baseball players. Even the guys who seem like clowns--Shaq, Barkley--are verbally gifted in a way that I think would stand out in other sports. And there are a good number of serious statesmen types in the top ranks of basketball players and even a straight-out introverted intellectual in Kareem. At minimum it seems basketball demands an analytic mind that can react quickly to small patterns; I'm not sure Jordan or LeBron or Bird is a high intellect but it is interesting to hear them break down plays; they obviously process at a very high rate of speed mentally. Karl Malone is the first person on the list whom I've never thought of as seeming especially bright, but 1) even as a southerner, it is easy to let the accent overpower your judgment and 2) he's apparently been a successful businessman so he must have something on the ball.
The most-intellectually limited great basketball player surely was Moses, though it's possible there was an intelligence underneath his total lack of education. But if so, it seems to have escaped his teammates. The stories of their literal incomprehension at his pep talks struck me as hilarious at the time but sad now. As does the "You send Moses West, he be ready to play, but you send Moses east, he be ready to play" infamous interview. While some centers have been very bright--Kareem may be the brightest star team sport athlete ever--the position clearly demands less intelligence than other positions. Moses' limitations didn't limit him, really. He was about as good as you could be.
Many of the guys on the list, in addition to being unusually articulate and charismatic for athletes (compare, e.g., Barkley to even a supposedly "smart" baseball great like a Mike Mussina) have also been successful at managing their money (Magic, Jordan, etc..) or has real success as front office personnel (West, Bird) or are just plain old intellectual and or measurably smart (Kareem, Robinson). Compare with the baseball list - Ruth, Mays, Hornsby, Foxx, Clemens; there are a lot of guys on that list who fall more in the "savant" category.
I was curious about this comment. 8 lists have been posted thus far with 5 having LeBron ranked higher than you do and 2 having him below your ranking.
That's an interesting observation. The best basketball players certainly seem more verbal than the best football or baseball players.
"In an effort to lift itself from the dysfunction and ineffectiveness of the Billy Hunter-Derek Fisher regime, the NBA players association has spent the past month identifying four candidates to succeed Hunter as executive director. Led by 18-year veteran Jerry Stackhouse, the NBPA has narrowed its options to former NBA coach and league executive Stu Jackson, Pistons legend and former NBA coach Isiah Thomas, former Madison Square Garden executive Steve Mills and Charlotte Bobcats president Fred Whitfield, FOXSports.com has learned. Sports attorney David Cornwell is said to be a longshot candidate. “I’m totally denying we are down to those four prospects,” Stackhouse told me Sunday afternoon. “Those are just four well-known guys, guys who know our business, guys who have ideas we wanted to hear from. They are not the only guys we want the search firm to vet. I haven’t even had a chance to talk with Fred Whitfield yet. I was planning to do that on Monday."
This makes sense to me -- specifically verbal intelligence. Basketball is the only one of these sports where real-time communication of complicated situations is relevant. Football is set plays offensively and if you're in a position where you have to communicate defensively you're probably screwed (plus it's a much bigger field making it harder to communicate and impossible to synchronize). Baseball has essentially no communication (I guess pop flies, but you only need to communicate one bit of information -- oh and pitch calling but that's also simple and nonverbal.) Basketball has a lot of different situations, the ball is continuously in play, there are only five guys, and it's a small court.
And any top 50 list with Isiah lower than Manu and Ewing off, and Dirk above the Doctor b/c Dirk was "unguardable" (and Dominique off!) has some tweaking to do!
That's... a less than inspiring list of people.
Carter 12.9 11.8 10.5 9.4 9.3 7.7 7.5 7.4 7.0 6.0 6.0 5.0 4.2 3.8 2.9Melo 9.5 9.4 8.2 7.9 7.9 7.3 6.2 6.1 5.0 4.9
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