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What about when stars get hurt? Do the fans get refunds then? Does every fan that paid to see the Bulls this year get some money back?
What's Stern going to do when Pop brings those guys, starts them and has them play one minute, and then they sit the rest of the game? Fine him for his player rotations?
#### it then. Let's not let any players have any days/nights off ever. Matter fact, let's do away with subs and also have any strong bench players mandated as starters. And let's shoot Kendrick Perkins and Thabo Sefolosha.
In '08-'09 (memory might be off on all sorts of details here) Mike D'antoni had one of his ever present player issues with Nate Robinson and benched Nate for about 14 or 15 games. The very first game Nate came back he scored 41 points in a Knicks victory over the Hawks. Shouldn't there have been substantial penalties for the team benching a guy who was a Slam Dunk Champion and one of their best players?
They just played Toronto and the Wizards. Didn't seem to be an issue then. I agree, though, that it wasn't at random.
It's hard to get upset about something so superficial and ancillary to competition.
we've got a situation where the interests of the Spurs and the interests of all fans in attendance are starkly in conflict; now, since pro sports exist, the conflict has to be resolved in favor of that group of fans--no?
Really, the only way that happens is if people start voting with the wallets.
That gets back to the question of whethe a sports team is a public good or a private business. I tend toward the latter.
...and I resign before I give the head office an inch.
The NBA has no business interfering in coaching decisions and if they do levy sanctions the Spurs should sue the league.
So, is Stern going to start enforcing anti-tanking now? Because the last 1-2 months of the season, the 5 worst teams are usually "throwing games" in the same manner the Spurs did last night.
. That argument is not very compelling to me because it draws an arbitrary line about how smart and prescient the average fan is, and it could just as easily be drawn on either side of those two events.
This controversy is the best thing that could have happened to this thread. It's been a shell of it's former self so far this season.
Chipper Jones missed 50 games this year. Several were his last game at an opponent. There were many fans that attended to see Chipper Jones play. Did Selig sanction the Braves?
does not virtually guarantee defeat like last night's decision did.
Tanking by good teams = excellent.
Before the emperor of the NBA leaves his Olympic Tower office, this is the holy war that those within the San Antonio Spurs' extended family expected David Stern to eventually wage on Gregg Popovich and his program's culture.
San Antonio led for most of the game.
November wins = April wins
that the Spurs' next game is an important one with Memphis.
Reading Henry Abbott's take on the subject has me convinced I'm
Still, Kobe could get hurt. Blake could get sick. D'Antoni could get mad at Gasol and bench him. Who knows?
Haven't seen it, but in the case of Abbott I am confident that part of the reaction will be based on Stern=domineering, manipulative ahole and Pop=great coach and cool guy who doesn't let his team play Heroball.
Let me take this time to say that Popovich is the best coach ever. What the Spurs have done the last couple years is just surreal, the fact that they can keep running out 60 win teams where such a crazy amount of their production is coming from role players. I've never seen a coach better at getting the most out of his players.
This is just a much larger arrow that points to a big problem in the NBA: the elite teams put little value on the regular season. We've seen this for years, last night just highlighted it nationally.
Robin- what is your position on the issue. I do not want to start arguing with pointless non-sequitirs if avoidable.
But the Spurs' "culture" is a problem for the league?
They'd be at this game regardless of who the Spurs put in uniform.
Finally, if these duties exist, how are the weighted against his duty to his employer and how they evaluate his performance?
If you choose to be the nail that sticks up, prepare to be hammered down.
I just feel like Stern's reproach was unfair
I think that this outcome will simultaneously be good for the league and not that big of a deal.
The league's statement said the Spurs were in violation of league policy reviewed with the board of governors in April 2010 against resting players in a manner "contrary to the best interests of the NBA."
I'm not going to pit some 60 win seasons in a league where teams don't go full throttle through the season against more championships from Riley, Red or Phil.
How was it different then? And for Riley and Auerbach, they had an absurd percentage of the NBA's talent on their team.
That said, this is the NBA which fixes drafts, games, and championships as part of their routine business so no one should be surprised by this
I don't know what the line is here, but I think we could all agree there's a difference between these examples and the Spurs benching 4 starters.
2. Since it seems Kobe Bryant will never decline ever how many years at his present level would he need before you could, with a straight face, say he's had one of the Top 5 or so careers ever? Not the best player, but best career.
Just got back from a dinner party and saw that the Lakers scored 71 in the first half. The Lakers frighten and confuse me.
Also, as over the top as steagles is, Jrue Holliday is having a big time year.
But is there a difference between the Spurs benching 4 starters in Miami and the Spurs benching 4 starters in Portland or Utah?
Simmons had Kobe at #8 in the new TBOB. If you place a lot of value on:
As Simmons does, Bryant is pretty high up there.
I'm pretty sure post 565 happened....
i'm not saying that jrue is better, or even as good, but he's starting to put himself into the conversation.
I'm pretty sure that ringzz is a big part of what robin meant by narrative.
If basketball didn't exist, what might he be doing?
Subverting the dominant paradigm in the art world.
Booey's 792 is, I think, an example of a lot of what we saw on the "old thread." We know at this point where he stands on Kobe Bryant,
John Henson got 17 and 18 the other night. Tar Heel fan here, and I'm kinda surprised he's getting meaningful minutes this early, except, you know, Bucks. Does he look like a big goofy puppy out there?
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