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Communists are atheists. Who the hell are they praying to, moron?
He is referring to the red diaper babies. We do not pray.
I haven't really been following Chechan Islam, are they also Communists?
3745. Liver of blaspheming 'zop Posted: April 19, 2013 at 03:50 AM (#4418952)
Agreed, I'm one of the least empathetic people around
Third man has been arrested. He’s being called an accomplice, not yet called a suspect, reports NPR’s Dina Temple-Raston.
They're the ones that shot a bunch of schoolkids in the back after taking a school hostage a few years ago.
House surrounded 'Quimby and Dexter Ave' in Watertown (roads don't intersect, run parallel for a bit, but nonetheless) 'house is surrounded'
I'm dying to hear what Putin has to say about this.
They also took hostages in that theatre and caused all those deaths. So if they had any sympathy to begin with, they exhausted it a long time ago.
If they have been here a long time, have parents and friends to interview, I'll be interested to see if they are Islamist extremists as is being assumed or perhaps just following in the screwed-up teenager slaughterfest push.
He'd have to be a complete idiot to allow himself to be taken alive,
Hopefully the fact that they're "white" Muslims from an area the US has nothing to do with will lead to some honest discussion about Islamic extremism and terrorism. There isn t even a fig leaf of "justification" for this gutless act.
Mother Jones noted that the dead guy had on a playlist a video on 'religious prophecy associated with Al Qaeda'.
Surely I'm not the first to say this.
Huh? The papers are reporting that they're Muslims. It's right in the NY Times lead story.
I thought those deaths were caused moreso by the Russian SWAT team that was a little overzealous. Although obviously the Chechnyans 'started' it by taking a theatre hostage.
Incidentally, those supporting Afghanistan in this thread are deluded. It was a quagmire from start to never-finish.
We don't actually know yet they have a cause, althought they obviously could.
Yeah..I was thinking, "They robbed a store? And carjacked a guy but didn't kill him? These are some shitty terrorists. They're like the Thelma and Louise of terrorists."
So the entire city is on lockdown? Surely that isn't mandatory. He's not The Running Man ffs.
It's actually more interesting than that. The Russians pumped an unknown chemical agent into the theater's ventilation system in order to incapacitate the hostage-takers. It worked, but a large number of the hostages died as a result of a negative reaction to the gas. There was also some controversy because the Russians refused to tell the hospitals treating the hostages what gas they had used (making it hard to treat them effectively), and it's likely that some hostages died who might otherwise have been saved if more information had been available.
There are lots of people who are intellectually gifted but relatively helpless when it comes to practical judgment or real-world logistics.
In recent years, however, the Kremlin and its regional proxies have been battling a different kind of enemy. This new generation of insurgents has an explicitly Islamist goal: to create a radical pan-Caucasian emirate ruled by Islamist law, a sort of Afghanistan under the Taliban. The movement’s leader, Doku Umarov, unveiled this ambitious vision in 2007. He vowed to liberate not only Russia’s Muslim North Caucausus but a large chunk of European Russia.
Umarov also suggested that devout Muslims should think internationally. His comments, later softened, said: “Today in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Palestine our brothers are fighting. Everyone who attacks Muslims wherever they are are our enemies, common enemies. Our enemy is not Russia only, but everyone who wages war against Islam and Muslims.”
This call to global jihad may perhaps offer a possible motive for an attack inside the US. The new generation of twenty-something rebels is also exploiting a powerful new weapon: the internet. The main Chechen rebel website, kavkazcenter.com, posts reports from the jihadi movement worldwide: from Syria, where Chechen diaspora fighters are battling government forces in Aleppo, from Pakistan, and from Turkey
So when is someone going to propose that they bring in Batman to deal with this Dzhokhar?
Yeah, I was going to point this out. The Russians killed the folks in that theater.
I don't know if a live feed has been previously linked, but here's one that seems pretty good.
"President in the situation room, monitoring the situation." Seems like the most appropriate place for him to do so.
To be fair, I think it's extremely likely that in the event of a conventional SWAT-style breach of the theater, the Chechens would have shot as many of the hostages as possible. So it's theoretically possible that gassing the theater was the least-bad of a bad set of options (although personally I'm skeptical of that).
Either way, refusing to aid the treatment of the gassed hostages seems pretty reprehensible.
3866 - i concur. grenades don't have fuses.
But it's never justified to kill innocent civilians.
I agree that just doing nothing wasn't really an option.
3893: internal fuses though, right?
That's a very complicated calculation. How dangerous are the terrorists?
(i.e. I don't count Bin Laden's wives as innocents)?
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