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I don’t see how you can airily dismiss the possibility that the new group would evolve in some way that diverged in some significant way from the mother group than stayed behind.
The are also industrious and deferential!
Look at the UK, which managed to turn a mighty seafaring empire, renowned for it's boldness and industry, into a pack of trashy, drunken, violent, promiscuous, unemployable human garbage in 50 years or so, largely through government action.
St. George's Day came up recently which offered an opportunity to be reminded of the class divide in England yet again. On facebook I had a few friends comment on being a bit unsettled by the various parades. The contrast between the exclusively white, 40-something working class males of the parades, and the absolute befuddlement if not downright scorn of the mostly middle class grouping of people I befriended while going to grad school and playing baseball there have for the day is a tad alarming. Especially considering, at least in theory, it's a celebration of the patron saint of the nation they share.
I think the No vote probably carries the day, but the Better Together campaign needs to tell non-Scots, and especially Tory non-Scots, to butt out.
Chavs have been around for at least ten thousand years, in bulk; there's a reason that mighty navy was made up mostly of Rum, Sodomy and the Lash. True, they didn't wear polyester until more recently, but it's hardly a big difference. They pre-date government, and they'll easily post-date it too. A council house and a welfare cheque is a hell of a lot cheaper than a debtor's prison or a workhouse. It's just good economics.
The oil rights will be a big fight if it happens, no?
I thunk there have been 2 "opportunities" that if taken could have lead to a resolution by now:
1: The Arabs could have accepted the UN Partition plan, or at least bargained/haggled over terms- instead aside form Jordan their response was essentially an absolutely intransigent "no"
2: The Israelis never should have embarked on Jewish settlement in the territory occupied in 1967, the land should always been held as either bargaining chips (Sinai), or they should have set up some semi-autonomous Palestinian government from day 1 (they tried that far too late)
Ok, enough is enough. Can you all stop calling Rickey! an anti-semite please? You all know he isn't one and calling him that just diminishes anything else you might have to say.
the land should always been held as either bargaining chips (Sinai)
Israelis moving to the disputed territories did not happen in significant numbers until after the Yom Kippur War.
I'd like to see them replaced by a chimpanzee. Its amazing we've gone 200+ years with a Supreme Court, and not a single chimpanzee has served on the court.
*For those who have never heard of this experiment, it's remarkable. A Russian scientist bred foxes for docile nature** by selecting the ones that were most approachable. Within a fairly small number of generations, several of the foxes became naturally friendly toward human beings, behaving like puppies. But was more remarkable is that the friendly foxes also had dramatic physical changes. They went into heat more often. Their tails got higher on their bodies, and straighter. Their legs got shorter. Their ears became floppy.
**In the other room, they bred the angriest, most aggressive foxes, and they just as rapidly became hateful little critters.
How would that work though? If there were only 8 justices, wouldn't there be a lot of ties? Does Roberts get to be the tiebreaker?
The UK has a massive, self-perpetuating (white) underclass that lives miserable lives filled with violence, drugs, alcohol, single parenthood and unemployment, largely due to a welfare system that strongly incentivizes them to not seek work.
That's hysterical. You sure can live a high on the hog lifestyle on 72 quid a week. Do you read the Daily Mail or something?
Right; Sam's just a garden variety juvenile delinquent/internet blowhard.
How did you get 'high on the hog' out of 'miserable lives filled with violence, drugs, alcohol, single parenthood and unemployment'?
But your list reminds me how amused I was by the first list: "trashy, drunken, violent, promiscuous, unemployable". Because it is such an odd list. Promiscuous is some terrible tragedy?
No, there wouldn't be a lot of ties
I can see snapper suggesting that, for obvious reasons, but GF?
they bred the angriest, most aggressive foxes, and they just as rapidly became hateful little critters.
Well, I don't agree. People with no jobs and few skills sitting around popping out kids they can't afford is good for society. With the longer life expectancies, modern medicine, and all the shiny new toys we churn out, who wouldn't want to have as many kids as they can?
Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter Argue Date:Apr 18, 2012 Decision Date: Jun 18, 2012 5-4 Kennedy, Thomas, Sotomayer, Scalia, Kagan
Plain English Summary: Every contract is a deal between two parties, and both are supposed to perform their part of the deal. That means that, if the job covered by the contract is done as it should be, then that party is entitled to be paid what has been promised. This case involved Indian tribes that sued the government because it did not pay all of the costs it had promised to cover when the two sides made their deal for the tribe to provide education and other government-like functions for their members. The Court ruled that a promise is a promise, even if the government doesn’t have immediately available enough money to pay all of the contractors it had promised to pay for their services. Congress has to locate the money to cover such a promise, the Court said.
Today the Court concludes that the Federal Government must pay the full amount of contract support costs incurred by the respondent Tribes, regardless of whether there are any appropriated funds left for that purpose. This despite the facts that payment of such costs is "subject to the availability of appropriations," a condition expressly set forth in both the statute and the contracts providing for such payment, 2196*2196 25 U.S.C. §§ 450j-1(b), 450l(c) (Model Agreement § 1(b)(4)); that payment of the costs for all tribes is "not to exceed" a set amount, e.g., 108 Stat. 2511, an amount that would be exceeded here; and that the Secretary "is not required to reduce funding for programs, projects, or activities serving a tribe to make funds available to another tribe," § 450j-1(b). Because the Court's conclusion cannot be squared with these unambiguous restrictions on the payment of contract support costs, I respectfully dissent.
The Indian Self-Determination and Education Assistance Act provides: "Notwithstanding any other provision in [the Act], the provision of funds under this [Act] is subject to the availability of appropriations...." Ibid. This condition is repeated in the Tribes' contracts with the Government. App. 206; see also § 450l(c) (Model Agreement § 1(b)(4)). The question in this case is whether appropriations were "available" during fiscal years 1994 through 2001 to pay all the contract support costs incurred by the Tribes. Only if appropriations were "available" may the Tribes hold the Government liable for the unpaid amounts.
This is hardly a typical government contracts case. Many government contracts contain a "subject to the availability of appropriations" clause, and many appropriations statutes contain "not to exceed" language. But this case involves not only those provisions but a third, relieving the Secretary of any obligation to make funds "available" to one contractor by reducing payments to others. Such provisions will not always appear together, but when they do, we must give them effect. Doing so here, I would hold that the Tribes are not entitled to payment of their contract support costs in full, and I would reverse the contrary judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.
Now they're just shitting up council housing and getting ASBOs.
my guess is that a 9-0 vote is far more common than that particular breakdown,
It would quite literally be impossible to tell the parody from the serious posts.
Could let them take up their historic professions like prostitution, pickpocketting, and highwaymanship, but frankly, it's much cheaper to stuff them into council housing
If you really can't tell from that post you have serious neurological issues, somewhere at the deep end of the autism spectrum perhaps.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but that's the argument BM made earlier in this thread. Who cares about a permanant and hopeless underclass living in horrifying dysfunction! GDP is up, people are living longer than ever and look, iPhones are awesome!
Oh and by the way, expect a Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine sometime this weekend
But you just said before that they were serving in the navy back in the days of yore.
I still think Putin has no intention of invading and occupying the non-Russophone parts of Ukraine, he's going to insist that him carving the "Russian" part of Ukraine off of Ukraine is no different than when NATO carved Kosovo off of Serbia (The fact that the Serbs were in fact attempting to ethnically cleanse the non-Serbs and the Ukrainians are not doing the same won't deter him, he'll simply lie and say they are- and in act he's been lying about that)
If he's going to do it easily the clock is ticking
If there is an actual shooting war in Ukraine, it will be a catastrophe for Putin regardless of outcome.
And, as I recall, the Brits gave up pressing people into the Navy because the Americans were grumpy about it.
The Americans were grumpy about the British impressing Anmerican citizens into the British navy.
He only real difference is that chavs in the 1600s didn't get to write books, and now their visibility is a lot higher due to things like Geordie Shore. If I had to guess, I suspect they're a lot less common now than they were two hundred years ago,
Twenty years ago, half of America’s dozen largest cities had Republican mayors. Today, just one does. Of the 30 largest U.S. cities, 26 have Democratic mayors — the greatest partisan imbalance perhaps since the presidency of James Monroe, when the nation had only one political party.
What’s more, many of these mayors are progressives who came to power by besting more centrist Democratic establishments. New York’s Bill de Blasio is just one of a number of insurgent liberals who won municipal elections last year. Others include Boston’s Martin Walsh, Minneapolis’s Betsy Hodges, Pittsburgh’s Bill Peduto and Seattle’s Ed Murray.
Of the 30 largest U.S. cities, 26 have Democratic mayors — the greatest partisan imbalance perhaps since the presidency of James Monroe, when the nation had only one political party.
it will be a catastrophe for Putin regardless of outcome. Sharing a border with a country the size and population of Ukraine will guarantee a thoroughly nasty asymmetrical conflict that will suck considerable blood and treasure from Russia for decades.
Historical crime statistics reflect almost exclusively the method of recording the statistics, and the environs
The right really has to stop making heroes out of loons, mostly because they are a part of the political process and less lunacy would be appreciated. But from an entertainment aspect it has a certain trashy appeal.
Comparing the British crime statistics of today vs those of the Victorian age, that seems unlikely. You statements smell a lot like Whig History...
This whole Cliven Bundy thing just continues to fascinate the hell out of me...
It's like some cross between Frankenstein and a Girls Gone Wild crew that 'accidentally' ended up filming a couple of underage girls by 'mistake'.
I also do love the fact that when I point out violent crime has crashed in the past few decades and this is a great thing and a sign of societal progress, that is not important
…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.
We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.
When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.
And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.
And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
Of course the bigger issue is the massive, massive amounts of unreported crime in Victorian Britain...particularly among the lower classes for whom reporting crime was probably a waste of time. Or crime rates could fluctuate on the whim of local enforcement.
The man is obviously not up on politically correct terminology, but he's not a racist.
but he's not a racist.
So the question is: why isn't he in jail on a charge of contempt of court? Does that whole concept have no meaning?
That may not be every white racist's brand of racism, or the most stereotypical one, but how does it not divide people's characters up along racial lines?
He made essentialist assertions about 'the negro'-- that is pretty much the textbook definition of a racist statement.
This is the transcript of the portion of his speech the NYT conveniently edited. The man is obviously not up on politically correct terminology, but he's not a racist. That term gets thrown around way to casually.
The issue, in my mind, is that Williamson, Hannity and others have taken advantage of a man of limited intellect, experience and sophistication to serve their own political agendas. Even while acknowledging that Bundy has no legal case, they've pumped him up into their champion, egging him on to engage in armed battle with the federal government, all so that they can enjoy the exhilaration of cordite and bloodshed second hand. It's porno for "patriots," and it's deeply troubling and irresponsible.
To put it in the schoolyard terms that it deserves, it's like goading a dim-witted guy in 7th grade to pick a fight with the strongest guy in the school, the guy that you don't dare fight yourself, just for the entertainment value.
That's just silly... Racism doesn't solely come in the form of some virulent lyncher in a robe -- in fact, the strain we're seeing here is worse, more cancerous, more insidious.
I'm going to stop here because my fingers are tired from cutting and pasting. I didn't keep track but my guess is about 25% of the cases are being decided 5-4, and the breakdown is nearly uniform- the liberals against the conservatives, with Kennedy usually being the swing vote, except for the cases dealing with ACA, where Roberts instead was the swing vote.
by many measures blacks aren't any better off now than they were 170 years ago
It doesn't have a single thing to do with their ethnicity or income level to begin with. The "teach a man to fish" proverb has survived all these years for a reason.
Listen, I don't know Bundy from a hole in the ground, and some recent reports seem to cast doubt on the time period he's claiming occupation of the lands in question. But I do know that providing a group of people with money and "stuff" over generations, without requiring any accountability on their part, is a recipe for ingrained dependence. It doesn't have a single thing to do with their ethnicity or income level to begin with. The "teach a man to fish" proverb has survived all these years for a reason.
I do know that providing a group of people with money and "stuff" over generations, without requiring any accountability on their part, is a recipe for ingrained dependence.
Yet if you're Cliven Bundy, you believe that this dependence is only a problem with "the Negro". He didn't say "let me tell you something about poor people on welfare". He said "here's another thing about the Negro...." as if that's problem particular to African Americans. If you don't find that racist, well...
I read it as despite having de facto freedom, by many measures blacks aren't any better off now than they were 170 years ago
Yet he also talked up Mexicans. I guess that makes him a Mexican supremacist. One needs a scorecard to keep track of all of the racism and supremacy.
"man of limited intellect, experience and sophistication"
Jay Bookman sounds like an elitist to me. Ranching in Nevada can't be very easy, even if you don't have to pay grazing fees.
And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things?
Right, because you can't be racist if you don't disparage all races/colors/creeds equally. Really cogent observation, Joek.
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