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No one is sure that Stanton is going to be better than Profar, but Stanton is turning 23 this year, and has already established himself as a top-tier slugger with above average to excellent defense in RF. For Profar to be better than him, he'll likely need to be an inner circle HOFer. That seems like a lot to hope for.
What's in it for the Rangers?
This is implying that Stanton is a pretty much guaranteed HOF player. Seems like 23 might be a bit young to say that about somebody.
Is SS hitting really so weak that an OBP heavy 91 OPS+ over a full season is worth 3 WAR? Yeesh.
Stanton would be my first pick among all players in baseball, that I would bet hits over 130 ops+ over his next 2000 plate appearances. He may not be a hof talent, but he's definately an elite hitter now, young enough now to be fairly confident that it won't go away overnight, and experienced enough now to feel confident it isn't a fluke.
I would take him over Votto, Kemp, Miguel Cabrera, Trout, Harper, Braun etc. (for projecting ops+, not as an overall player, but for certainty to repeat his performances over each of the next 4 years, he's high on my list)
I would trade Profar for Stanton in a second. I'd probably trade Profar and Olt. Profar for Upton I would have to think about.
If you make it obp heavy, and add in plus defense, decent running game, it shouldn't be a surprise when a guy is worth 3 war.
Concur. When Ariz was trolling around for a SS and giving away tasty goodies at 50 cents of the $, they should have been offering Andrus for Upton. Probably could have added some magic beans and gotten Bauer too.
I'd put him behind Trout and maybe Harper.
Not after the Great Replacement Level Truce of 2013! Looks to be around 2.2 (+/- .2 depending on league).
I'd put him behind Trout and maybe Harper.
If we were doing a total redraft for all of MLB (wih no salary considerations) my top-3 would probably be Trout, Harper and Stanton, in that order.
I understand. I'm saying even with defense and base running, Stanton is at worst 3rd.
I'm surprised at the negative reaction to this signing in this thread.
What? You want to pay Andrus $20M? That's crazy. Players with his profile don't get that. Tulo didn't get a $20M AAV.
It's not that the signing is bad, it's that it seems that Texas doesn't have much of a plan for their current assets.
Here's another: all of these guys are on really good contracts, so if we can't fit them all in, we'll trade one of them.
Kinsler had a 92 OPS+ last years, and has averaged 107 over the last 4. He can't move anywhere and be useful.
And Tulowitzki had multiple 6+ WAR seasons, incl 3 in-a-row. Andrus' peak is 4 so far.
Kinsler's on a good contract, even though he's "getting to an age where he's going to probably have to move off 2B" and posted a career low OPS+ last year?
Supposedly Andrus's deal has a player opt out after year six. I'm going to make a very early prediction and say it will not be utilized.
If this was a 4-year extension and the Rangers didn't have Profar, everybody here would love this extension.
Even as is, if this was (oh) the DBacks after trading for him, we might question the length but would understand the motivation.
As is, this signing is a huge commitment to a mediocre hitter (but valuable player) that also puts a huge hole in the value of their top prospect.
What's the friggin' rush to sign Elvis? Were they afraid he was going to put up crazy huge numbers and price himself out of their ability to pay?
Possibly but then why would the players (or their agents) sign?
In isolation, this isn't a horrible signing. I'd rather have the Posey deal (and I wasn't wowed with that one either).
Even at 36, they're typicaly at 50% peak value.
Player WAR/pos OPS+ Rfield PA Age SB PosCal Ripken 18.1 145 34 1442 22-23 2 *6Alex Rodriguez 13.3 135 3 1320 22-23 67 *6/DJim Fregosi 13.1 126 22 1274 22-23 21 *6Joe Cronin 12.1 122 19 1287 22-23 22 *6/4Lou Boudreau 10.6 110 21 1387 22-23 15 *6Charlie Hollocher 9.2 123 9 1090 22-23 42 *6Rabbit Maranville 8.8 88 35 1243 22-23 46 *6Alan Trammell 8.6 104 17 1115 22-23 22 *6Robin Yount 8.1 95 16 1171 22-23 27 *6Elvis Andrus 7.8 90 15 1376 22-23 58 *6/DTroy Tulowitzki 7.6 100 34 1103 22-23 8 *6Pee Wee Reese 7.6 82 34 1330 22-23 25 *6Jose Reyes 7.3 98 3 1436 22-23 124 *6Garry Templeton 7.3 102 4 1371 22-23 60 *6Donie Bush 7.3 90 6 1298 22-23 89 *6/5
That seems odd, considering there are only a handful of 36-year-old starting shortstops in the history of baseball.
JD Drew (with LA)
Vernon Wells (Toronto)
AJ Burnett (Toronto)
Alex Rodriguez (Texas)
CC Sabathia (Yankees)
Rafael Soriano (Yankees)
Zack Greinke (Dodgers)
Elvis Andrus (Rangers)
Did any of the other recent mega deals include opt outs? (Votto, Pujols, Verlander, Mauer, Posey, Adrian Gonzalez, Crawford?)
Is there a list of opt-out contracts in the last 10-15 years? Here are some that come to mind:
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