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What's the deal with Wade Boggs' number not being retired by Boston?
Huh. I wonder what the thinking was in "inducting" these guys on the same day?
The Red Sox policy on retiring uniform numbers is based on the following criteria:
*Election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame
*At least 10 years played with the Red Sox
If you left the Red Sox for another team, then why should they treat your Red Sox uniform with more reverence than you did?
I'm assuming sheer volume gives Clemens the WAR edge
He had the reputation for caring more about himself than the team. I'm not saying it's true, but it is his reputation.
The Dodgers retired the numbers of Jackie Robinson, Sandy Koufax, and Roy Campanella all on the same day.
I'm pretty sure babe Ruth didn't leave them. Nor any other player prior to 1976 or so.
You've got the black guy, the Jewish guy and the Italian guy.
According to this, Boggs and Evans are in the Red Sox HOF. Manny is not, nor is Ernie Pantusso. Is this the right list?
Those days are gone, and I have no doubt that they will eventually find a way to retire 21 (Clemens), 45 (Pedro), 25 (Conigliaro), 34 (Ortiz), and if he holds on long enough to his current job, 2 (Remy). There's a decent chance they will also retire 33 (Varitek), 15 (Pedroia), and 24 (Evans/Ramirez).
Boggs is top 5 at his position, he is a no doubt about it HoF player, much better than Evans or Rice.
There's a reason Johnny Pesky's number is retired that has nothing to do with how good he was in Boston.
I sure as hell hope they don't follow the pattern of the fools from a few hours to the southwest and just start retiring the number of every jackoff who gave the fans a few warm memories
The Yankees have retired 16 numbers (one of them for two players), but the way some people here talk, you'd think it was 60. How many of these plaques do you really think should come off the wall? And before you answer, remember that there are reasons that 1, 10, 15, and 32 are retired that go well beyond anything to do with how good those players were in New York. You could possibly say the same thing for 23 and 49. Frankly, to me, the only real mistake is 44.
Torre's #6 is next, of course. And Jeter's #2 probably on the day he hangs 'em up. Do you disagree with those?
How many of these plaques do you really think should come off the wall?
Then they got soft
If Martin is a mistake, then Rizutto and Pesky are as well. Not a personal favorite, but for some reason, he means something to a large segment of the fanbase that is damned near transcendent.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Yankees do not have a separate team hall of fame. It's pretty much retired number or nothing. At any rate, I was responding to "every jackoff who gave the fans a few warm memories." Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees have yet to retire 20, 21, or 51. And I don't think anybody would have a problem with those three if we were talking about a team HOF.
If Martin is a mistake, then Rizutto and Pesky are as well. Not a personal favorite, but for some reason, he means something to a large segment of the fanbase that is damned near transcendent. I dunno, maybe it belongs in the McCann though guy thread.
I'm not sure about Pesky, but Rizzuto is a HOF player and longtime broadcaster.
* He had a higher peak than Evans during his time in Boston. But anything he did elsewhere doesn't count toward his better player status as far as the Sox are concerned.
Boggs was the better player. He did more to help the team win. I love me some Dewey, but Boggs was amazing.
Yeah, it was close, but Boggs was probably better.* Still don't want to see his number retired.
*I'm a little too skeptical about both of their defensive numbers to be certain.
I am skeptical of Dwight's defensive numbers, they look low, but if I do something in 11 years that takes you 18 years, I am more valuable. There is no 'close' to it.
So, yeah, I'll stick with close. Wade at his best was obviously better, but their overall contributions to the Sox aren't that far apart.
Wade at his AVERAGE was as good as Dwight's BEST. You agree that Boggs has a better peak, ok, that means that to be close Evans should have better career #'s, but he really doesn't. He has about 1 to 1 1/2 seasons-worth of counting numbers on Boggs, that does not even out the huge peak gap between the two.
Sort of unfair to criticize the Yankees if they retire numbers from well-liked players though if that is your main criteria.
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