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Mays got 94.7
He's 17th in career WAR for pitchers on bbref and 16th on Fangraphs. That seems pretty good.
The big news about the GAME, instead of about Namath's mouth, was that they held Unitas to one touchdown.
Player WAR GS ERA+ G CG W SV IPLefty Grove 110.0 457 148 616 298 300 55 3940.2Pedro Martinez 85.9 409 154 476 46 219 3 2827.1Carl Hubbell 67.8 433 130 535 260 253 33 3590.1Roy Halladay 65.6 390 131 416 67 203 1 2749.1Hal Newhouser 60.4 374 130 488 212 207 26 2993.0Whitey Ford 53.9 438 133 498 156 236 10 3170.1
The well-known doubts about whether Grove was quite as good as he seemed, given the way the talent in his league was so imbalanced, are perhaps enough to move him and Martinez closer together in career worth than face value might indicate.
One of those second-place finishes seemed particularly egregious: In 2002, he lost to the 23-win Zito despite having a lower ERA and more strikeouts. Even if you can argue that Zito deserved the award for pitching less spectacularly in 30 more innings, that fails to explain the five voters who gave Martinez and his 20-4 record, 2.26 ERA and 239 K in 199.1 IP third-place votes that season.
Every era has a group of super-talented guys at a certain position it seems.
1990/2000's: pitching with Clemens/Johnson/Maddux/Martinez
1970/80's: 3B with Schmidt/Brett/Boggs (arguably the best 3 ever to that point)
1950/60's: OF with Mantle/Mays/Aaron/Robinson
That's a big difference. Something unusual was happening in the recent vintage of high-scoring years
Ray Lewis and Brady have never played against each other in the Super Bowl.
Ray Lewis, who played in Indy on Peyton Manning's teams, right?
I guarantee that I will NEVER get this one wrong again. - Brock
Of course you now have to point out that Payton Manning's former team was the one that had previously arrived in Baltimore via Brooklyn, Boston, New York and Dallas, and not the one that came to Charm City from Miami, the hapless team whose only accomplishment of note was that it bequeathed our current Super Bowl champions their nickname, before moving to Baltimore and losing to Buffalo and blowing the chance to pull the Upset of the Century by beating the Browns in the title game. It's really not that complicated.
You might want to rethink this promise...
Like many other St. Louisans born in the early 1900s, your Cards hightailed it to the desert when they hit old age.
Oh, no. I am thoroughly embarrassed. I'll remember this one. Now I have to find out what game it was that I was watching when I saw Leonard Little blow by a tackle, reach the QB just as he was pulling his arm back and forced the fumble which bounced into the end zone, winning a game
In the NFL you can't fumble a ball forward and recover it as a touchdown. (In the 70's you can, but they changed that rule because of the Raiders and Plunkett fumbling a ball forward)
No, he [Zito] hasn't had a great career, but Oakland did get several pretty good years out of him that the Padres' scouts didn't think were possible
Player Year IP ERA ERA Z ERA+ ERA+ Z
Sandy Koufax 1963 311.0 1.88 1.69 159 1.76
Sandy Koufax 1964 223.0 1.74 1.86 186 2.04
Sandy Koufax 1965 335.2 2.04 1.55 160 1.80
Sandy Koufax 1966 323.0 1.73 1.93 190 2.93
Pedro Martinez 1997 241.1 1.90 1.99 219 3.20
Pedro Martinez 1998 233.2 2.89 1.19 163 1.39
Pedro Martinez 1999 213.1 2.07 1.98 243 3.83
Pedro Martinez 2000 217.0 1.74 2.27 291 5.38
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