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Easy enough to laugh, but the Royals are only 4.5 games out of the WC spot and 7 back of the AL Central division at 61-54. That's a damn sight better than, say, oh I dunno...the Washington Nationals.
but the Royals are only 4.5 games out of the WC spot and 7 back of the AL Central division at 61-54
At least the Nats GM didn't sell out the teams future in a last ditch effort to save his job. As nice a fit as Carroll may be, it's just another desperate stab at a one time trip to the playoffs.
Indeed, selling out the team's future by trading "a player to be named later or cash considerations" to fill a gap created by an injury is truly the mark of a desperate man.
As opposed to selling out the team's present by sitting down their best pitcher for the playoffs, as it was obvious 2012 was going to be the first of a long string of post-season appearances.
Come about 2016, this team is going to need another wave of talent or else a significantly expanded payroll. That gives you about a four year window in which you're competitive with a nucleus of cheap talent, with the closest pitchers in the minors probably arriving late this year or early next year. Waiting until 2014 is throwing away a quarter of your window.
I love how actually trying to win games brings ridicule. The prospect fetish around here is getting to be a bit much.
If people around here had their way every team would be staffed with mediocre minimum wage nobodies and retreads while all of the team's focus would be on getting as many prospects as possible in the minors. A BTF dream team would be a team that wins 75 games but has every single player on the team best the dollars per win margin by a great deal while having 6 guys down on the farm that make Sickels top 100 prospect list. Perennially.
2013 Player: bWAR/SalaryMyers: 1.9/$500kOdorizzi: -0.2/$500kTotal: 1.7/$1MFrenchy: -0.9/$7.5MShields: 2.1/$9MDavis: -1.8/$2.8MJohnson 1.0/500kTotal: 0.4/$19.8M
If people around here had their way every team would be staffed with mediocre minimum wage nobodies and retreads...
Presented, by proximity, as if correlated which, of course, they are not. The magic of 160 lives on.
Billy Butler has started 159, 158, 159, and 161 games the last four years, plus 115 so far this year. If he leaves, gets old, catches the injury bug, or develops a tragic addiction to Baconators, his production will have to be replaced. At just about the same time that several other key contributors' production will also have to be replaced.
Again, I don't disagree with you about the Myers trade. I think they gave up too much. But what they got back was not nothing, and it was defensible even from a sabermetric viewpoint. Going into this year with gaping holes at two rotation spots torpedoes the season before it starts, wasting SEVEN CHEAP YEARS in the process.
That trade happened because Moore was so enamored of Jeff ####### Francoeur that he considered Myers blocked.
If KC had signed Sanchez by offering another year ($96M/6 years) it is likely they would not get full value out of the last year or two of the deal but would have actually created a "window" for this team as they don't have one now.
Moore - 419-553 (Does not include first half season and this season)
The fatal error of (presumably) Moore and those supporting him is thinking of Myers as a prospect. He was a major league player with an expected level of performance not much less certain than that of any established player.
Edit: For clarity I am speculating that Moore's thought process, summarized, was "I need a starting pitcher --> I have a valuable outfield prospect with no lineup spot for 2013 --> Who's the best starting pitcher I can trade him for? --> (Couple weeks calling around to find out) --> James Shields."
- Sanchez is a better, younger starter than Shields and he would be locked down for the duration of the "window", while Shields is a free agent after next year.
Shields himself might only be worth $15M over what they have to pay him. Moore gave up maybe 3-4 times that in prospect value, he didnt cash in his Wil Myers chip anywhere near full value. And now his cash out is turning into a spectacular mistake as Wil Myers looks like a star more and more each day.
That anyone is willing to try to defend the rank stupidity of trading Wil Myers for James Shields (and paying extra for the privilege!) is a testament to the indomitable current of contrarianism that runs through this site.
You keep going on and on about Sanchez, as if the Royals could have signed him and only him, and were idiots not to. Had they gone the free agent route, they could have easily signed Edwin Jackson instead. Looking at the one free agent success and saying "They should have signed him instead of making a trade" is the height of Monday morning quarterbacking.
You knew Sanchez was a better starter than Shields this winter? Based on what?
2010-2012Pitcher/Age: IP/ERA+ Shields/30 680/102/3.68Sanchez/28 587/110/3.36
Sanchez was an above average pitcher until the post season last year, and signed with Detroit for 5 years, $88 million. He wasn't going to KC for 6/96. Maybe six years, $105 million? Probably more. Quite a bargain there, eh?
And who is your #2 starter? Odorizzi? Hochevar? Chen? Mendoza? Or would you have signed all the free agent pitchers who are having good years like Liriano, traded for Santana, and wisely let the Danny Harens sign elsewhere?
With a prospect like that, you can gamble that his improvement is a sign of stardom to come, and keep hold of him to find out what happens. Or you can decide that it was an outlier, a fluke, and cash him in trade while his value is still super high. A team like KC should be inclined to gamble on his improvement being real because the potential payoff is so huge for their teams competitiveness. I'm also inclined to bet on guys who still improve as they face tougher competition, they seem like the best types to make the adjustments to succeed in the MLB.
This time it doesn't count?
6/$96M is another $16M guaranteed, a substantial bump.. Even if you think Anibal would require $100M, yea it's a bargain if it saves giving away $50M+ in prospect value. Also not only does Sanchez fill a big hole for KC, signing him creates a big one for Detroit.
And if you don't like Sanchez, why not Kuroda? Even Petitte, Dempster, or Lohse while not as good as Shields would have been good bets to improve the rotation without surrendering anything of value, one of them in combination with keeping Myers would have added wins over the Shields trade both this year and in the future
A bad starting staff can't be fixed overnight. That's what Moore tried to do with this panic trade after failing for 6 years.
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