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Well, since every game starts out 0-0 shouldn't EVERY starter "pitch to the score" and prevent ANY runs from scoring from the get-go?
Fortunately, we know a lot more about pitchers than just their W/L record and ERA. And knowing all of those things - including W/L record - helps us get a complete picture of performance. We shouldn't throw out W/L record, because it can tell us something in conjunction with other performance stats. When a pitcher's W/L record diverges from his other stats - in either direction - there's not always a simple explanation for it.
Just signed in to say that SBB can suck my nuts.
Not in this case. If I say "Max Scherzer has won 19 games and lost one," that has a commonly-understood meaning in baseball talk. That meaning is not "Max Scherzer is fully responsible for 19 Tiger wins and one Tiger loss."
I'd like to see a stat that deals with this point.
Did you feel like working quickly improved your defensive support?
I don't think it's even remotely as common as the way that saves dictate use, though.
That's the only candidate, but only because teams have allowed it to significantly dictate usage.
They don't. The save was invented to provide a stat that reflected how relievers were being used, not the other way around.
I just don't see how you can argue that the current usage patterns are not dictated in part by its existence.
My favorite is when a team has a 3 or 4 run lead in the 6th or 7th, and the opponent gets 2 or 3 men get on base. In trots the 3rd or 4th best RP into a critical, game changing situation.
Gotta save that closer and 8th inning guy to protect a 3-run lead in the 8th/9th, or, you know, not pitch at all b/c you're losing by then.
The second thing they did was to stop using them when the score was tied.
That was why I said "significantly." The fifth-inning stretch might happen to a guy once every other season, but that's about it. And even then, there's a bullpen-saving argument that can be part of the decision making process.
Dude, aren't you a Red Sox fan? You lived through Terry Francona trotting out the starter in the 6th/7th/8th inning of a tied game, or with a small deficit, long past the point where the starter should have been gone. All in the quest to give them a chance at the win...
Just because a manager leaves a guy in too long does not mean it was all in the chance for a win.
I watched Terry Francona, this is what he did. You could accurately predict when he would leave a struggling starter in too long, entirely based on the score of the game.
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