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This could have a huge impact on trading deadline deals. As a White Sox fan, I sure hope they announce it before the deadline. Hahn may end up looking like a genius for waiting if contending teams lose significant players.
Hell, Joe Flacco is currently my favorite quarterback, and I couldn't pick him out of a police lineup.
Can anyone remember what the exact record is for rushing yards in a season?
Among the many reasons listed, Football players are, largely, seen as anonymous and disposable to the general public. It's not surprising the general public doesn't care about their use.
I have no idea. Everything the Bud and company have been doing the past 12-18 months seems completely irrational as far as I can tell. As though they were actively trying to destroy their own product.
Most people view them as cheating ######## who are getting what they had coming.
Exactly my point. Two of the game's historically great players are thought to have been dirty cheaters. How is that not a massive loss?
The purpose of his may be to send the message "It doesn't matter if you can beat our tests, we'll hunt you down anyway, and nail your ass to the wall."
Are there any business schools studying the way MLB and NFL approaches PED use, primarily in their public relations? It really is astonishing to what degree the NFL has been successful at getting not just fans, but also the media to just not give a crap.
As long as virtually all of those who get in trouble for PEDs are linemen -- the sport's most anonymous folk -- no one will give a damn.
It's no different than arguing, "Mays was better than Cobb b/c Cobb didn't have to play against black players, so the talent level was worse."
But you're just not going to concede that such a perspective even exists, let alone is seen by many as valid, are you?
You realize amphetamines are banned too, right?
No one's arguing to allow amphetamines in the game. They just don't think they had a significant impact on the statistical record.
I don't see how Selig and MLB's actions have anything to do with Hall of Fame voters. Maybe they should have come out and supported players like Sosa who were never really tied to PEDs, but Selig has nothing to do with the vote totals of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Palmeiro.
The difference is that the gaping wound of segregation wasn't inflicted on MLB by the current regime.
In stark contrast, the current regime has charged guns blazing off the cliff and into the steroids abyss -- an action which could have been utterly avoided.
Moreover, many if not most of today's steroids critics weren't alive or weren't baseball fans when amphetamines were the drug of choice. They don't have a deep historical knowledge of the game, and amps aren't part of their framework in considering the steroids issue.
The harm is pretty clear: MLB's rich history has been decimated. You cannot have discussions about the great players without getting bogged down in the steroids swamp. We've seen the tangible carnage from that by looking at the shambles the Hall of Fame is in.
Irrational or dishonest. Plainly.
MLB can't respond to PED use the same way as the NFL does - impose a testing regime and ignore the issue - because outside forces - the media, fans, Congress - won't let them.
Many were alive, but everyone -- alive back then or not -- should be able to see the similarities of steroids and amps on the issues of cheating and performance enhancement and HOF voting.
Barry Bonds's steroid use came out of a government investigation; he was never explicitly punished by MLB.
Selig's behavior regarding steroids has been almost entirely reactive. MLB didn't go out and find Biogenesis: the Feds did and they found a list of clients that included MLB players.
MLB is very much in a no-win situation here with a lot of this, but I have a hard time seeing how they're the ones who put themselves there.
A laughable, nonserious characterization of a situation which saw MLB force Bonds out of the game such that Bonds was not signed by any team despite being arguably the best hitter in the league.
A laughable, nonserious characterization of a situation which saw MLB pressure a drug dealer and a newspaper for information on its own players, and after that didn't work, file a meritless lawsuit to extort information from the drug dealer, and then pay the drug dealer for information on its own players.
Or, you know, an honestly held belief.
In fairness, MLB couldn't just put a testing regime in place and ignore it largely due to self-inflicted reasons - the players categorically (obstinately and myopically, IMO) refused any testing for too many years and the owners went along either happily or complacently, depending on who you ask. If they would have gotten testing in place quietly years ago, it probably wouldn't be anywhere near as big an issue today.
It was first with the great help of Congress
Right. I covered that. That's the "or irrational" part.
Because most people see the exposition and punishment of what they view as wrongdoing as a positive. This is true whether or not the behavior in question happens to meet your personal standards for wrongdoing or procedural due process. To you, it's a loss. But many, many fans have a very different perspective than you do. How is this not registering?
I must admit that I find people who find it absolutely impossible to conceive of any way their position (even if strongly held) could be wrong to be fascinating.
Eso: If I told you 2+2=5, and I stuck to that in the face of your explanations as to why it's not correct, would you call me at least one of irrational and dishonest? This is not a difficult concept.
Hm. Apparently Ray's opinions and perspectives have the same level of objective correctness as mathematical fact. I did not know that. It explains a lot.
You're about to take a bar exam, and you don't understand what a hypothetical is?
Can anyone explain how Rodriguez could face a lifetime ban when Melky Cabrera arguably did much worse by making a fake website to try to deny he took PED's?
Apparently Ray's opinions and perspectives have the same level of objective correctness as mathematical fact. I did not know that.
Probably because Melky tested positive and thus his penalty was locked in by the JDA.
(BTW don't centaurs have arms and hands?)
It was never important enough to MLB to bargain the issue.
You have to admit, though, that that's a technicality rather than something logical.
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