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In his eight full seasons, Verlander has been about a three-win player on average.
If Hal Newhouser is the best pitcher the Tigers can dig up after 113 years, that doesn't say much for the Tigers. Of the original 16 franchises, only the Pirates and the Reds can't come up with anything better, and their top pitchers didn't have the advantage of playing against a bunch of 4-F's, teenagers, and Social Security beneficiaries.
Well, Ford missed two full seasons to the military (I wonder why Newhouser didn't)
Red Sox: Clemens/Cy Young (almost the exact record pitching for the team)
Player W L W-L W%Cy Young 192 112 +80 63.2Roger Clemens 192 111 +81 63.4Pedro Martinez 117 37 +80 76
Even after the Reds actually got good Derringer kept giving up a high BABIP for some reason.
Tommy Bridges missed 1944 and nearly all of 1945 serving his country.
He did? He was 37 in 1944, what was he doing?
This should be the next Hall of Merit voting project.
We got all of 11 voters for the last MMP election.
WAR says Jenkins, 53 to 45. I'm not sure I completely buy it. It's 2,329 innings of 153 ERA+ for Brown versus 2,673 innings of 119 ERA+ for Jenkins. You've gotta take Brown unless there's some serious timelining.
Does anyone here beat Seaver?
There's also a defense issue in there. I think the consensus at this point is that the gloves of Tinker, Evers, Chance, et. al. are responsible for a huge chunk of that 153 ERA+ on Brown.
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