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One negotiates a collective bargaining agreement that shouldn't exist and the other one doesn't.
They have civil service protection.
In our CBA it states that the cooks are allowed three free beers per shift.
No government employees which is why I keep saying government employees shouldn't have unions.
So they aren't fired in retaliation?
I didn't. I just shared anecdote about how a union has fought hard to keep an unsafe work environment for their own members.
I thought you kept bringing up the FAA to show how the government would act with employees since the topic has been government employees shouldn't have unions. Otherwise I don't know what the point is of bringing up pilots in a government employee conversation.
I've personally numerous times to simply say screw'em and tell the union we're taking out that provision no matter what. Housekeepers and servers are not going to strike because 4 cooks in the back go without free beer.
In our CBA it states that the cooks are allowed three free beers per shift. It doesn't say that can't drink them while they work or they can't pound all three at once. It simply says they are allowed to drink 3 free beers per shift. Never mind that working with knives and with fire while impaired is hugely dangerous, it is their god given right and they aren't giving up those 3 free beers for nothing. We've had several incidents over the years that can be traced back to those three free beers each shift but oh well. That cook didn't really need that hand to work the line anyway.
Local management does not negotiate the CBA with the union.
just genuinely curious as to how that particular provision finds it's why into the agreement to begin with)
#116 - I'm referring mainly to the "It simply says they are allowed to drink 3 free beers per shift." part....seems counter-productive and I can't wrap my head around why this would be agreed to at all (not the employees so much as the employers, their lawyers and their insurance companies)
You have to remember that these hospitality unions are not new creations. They've existed for a very long time and the language entered into the contract either through formalizing past practices or was put in their back in the good old "Mad Men" days.
Back in the 70's and 80's, hell even the 90's, it was quite common for the kitchen to sit around and drink and for restaurant management to sit around and drink all night and even sometimes into the next morning. This phenomenon still exists to this day in a lot of restaurants but it is a lot rarer in hotels.
Basically corporate wants cost certainty
As long as they think labor will cost X and there will be no walkouts they don't really care about any other issue. It creates inferior products but they don't really care as long as shareholders and franchisee owners are happy with the bottom line.
MY argument has been to unilaterally take out, cite OSHA work safety laws, let the union know that this is how it is going to be and that they need to accept it and if they want to get some sort of compensation out of it they need to negotiate it instead of trying to fight us on it. Which if they do they'll get nothing.
Yeah. Sorry if I sound like I'm picking an argument or anything. This type of discussion interested me is all, I have no issues or anything I am trying to represent or argue for/against. This particular point seemed like an odd one to still be around and fascinated me.
One negotiates a collective bargaining agreement that shouldn't exist
What a surprise, McCoy sides with corporations and fat cats over the working man.
There is some conflicting data on this. The Gates Foundation claims that the average teacher works 53 hours a week (of course that is during the school year) while the BLS has them at 38 hours or so. I believe the difference between the two has mostly to do with hours spent at home or "off duty" doing school work.
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