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I forbid this. Do you hate puppies?
I think we all need to chip in and buy Ray a puppy that looks Ichiro.
Let's start with some context. Vick was engaged in a multi-year systematic torture and murder of animals for sport. The sport was the harm, as opposed to factory farming, where the harm is an undesired consequence. I think factory farming is evil, but the difference here is the difference between callous disregard and intentional torture.
The human equivalent Vick in terms of behavior is something like Ariel Castro. That the victims were dogs and not human beings certainly lessens the amount of harm, but the length of time and the brutality of the action crosses a moral threshold that I simply can't ever overlook.
Vick didn't make a "mistake." He wasn't acting in the heat of passion or under the influence. That's who he was as a person, and something in his makeup allowed him to not only experience, but participate in, the intense suffering of living creatures for the purpose of a game. I think that's a fundamental defect of character that I don't ever need to absolve him of (not that I think it is my place or within my power to absolve him).
I am a Jets fan, and I will not be watching any of their games this season. I'm not suggesting that anyone else be morally obligated to do the same, I'm not calling for Vick to be fired, and I'm not suggesting that he should be locked up for his entire life. I am fairly sure that he will never, ever seriously harm an animal again. But there's a point where no matter how much a person does to redeem himself, I don't want to associate with him.
You haven't really lived 'til you've slept with a dog.
For example, Vick personally killed dogs (as in, more than one) by slamming them into a concrete floor. That's personal enough for me.
But he can throw a football (well, sort of ... he's not particularly good at it, apparently; from what I can gather, his real strengths are running, getting hurt & making terrible on-field decisions). That's quite enough for his apologists, as we've seen here.
This is the thread-winner.
People who assemble to actively "protest," well, anything, really do need to get lives.
You might even argue that owning a dog shows a certain level of responsibility and regard for life. If you know that I have the capacity to care for another living thing, that demonstrates at least some non-selfish instincts.
Let the dog sniff the back of your hand for 10-20 seconds. Then,
There must be some kind of inner ability that most people have that allows them to be empathic to animals, and I totally lack that.
Seriously. The best way to communicate with a dog is by contact. Let the dog sniff the back of your hand for 10-20 seconds. Then, scratch him under the chin. He'll wag his tail and let you pat his head, his neck.
Just how many people here are ... well, not people, but automatons?
There are basically five things a healthy and happy dog ever really wants: solitude, food, water, to go out, or attention.
I don't "apologize" for him; I just don't care enough to let it affect my life any.
as I may have mentioned at other times I was termed a 'borderline sociopath' by the army docs a long time ago.
(I enjoy butchering meat--not stated for humor. Just a fact)
Which of course may or may not mean a damned thing. I remember getting a preliminary diagnosis of borderline personality disorder, despite not showing (as I discovered upon researching the subject after that) any of the obvious indicators for that condition (as remains the case to this day), a few years back.
What people talking about "rape culture" seem to want is the lower the bar of reasonable doubt in rape cases.
I am certainly not a farmer, but I come from multiple small farmer families, and killing one's farm animals simply is not the same as having no empathy for them, at least from what I've seen at least.
Yes, i'm sure the animals grasp that distinction.
249. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: April 24, 2014 at 06:15 PM (#4693585)
I think we all need to chip in and buy Ray a puppy.
I forbid this. Do you hate puppies?
Re: the urine thing: has anyone here given a urine sample where they didn't wear latex gloves when taking the specimen cup from you?
What you quoted wasn't at all about animals.
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