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Does Mariano not know that he is only 2 outs away from a sub 1.000 WHIP? First live ball era pitcher to attain such status?
(But I guess the team wasn't technically eliminated at that point and thus couldn't #### around to that extent.)
“I think I squeezed every ounce of fuel that I have in my tank,” Rivera said. “It’s empty…I have nothing left.”
it depends what your minimum # of IP is. If it's 1000, it's Mariano; if it's 500 (or 900) it's Wagner
Yeah, let's finagle the innings limit just right to put the guy with only 1280 innings in the catbird seat.
We'll see what theatrics the eliminated-from-playoff-contention Yankees have up their sleeves to pretend that they're still relevant to anything.
?? Baseball Reference is a pretty standard place to quickly get stats, an I am going to assume that they put their threshold at 1,000 before Mariano was close to reaching it. So who exactly was doing the finagling?
The people arguing that Wagner doesn't qualify.
If the threshold is 1000, he doesn't. The threshold was set at 1000 before Mariano Rivera was close to reaching it.
His arbitrary endpoints are no better than anyone else's.
They did not create the arbitrary threshold, so how are they finagling the innings limit?
Yankee Clapper gushed in post 1 about Rivera being 2 outs away from a sub 1.000 WHIP. "First live ball era pitcher to attain such status?" It was pointed out by Misirlou in post 2 that this was not correct because Wagner was. And yet the finaglers pushed back.
And yet the finaglers pushed back.
If anything, Misirlou was finagling the innings limit. He's the one who introduced a nonstandard limit for the purpose of changing who was the leader.
Where's the criticism of Jerome Holtzman for finagling the save stat to benefit Rivera?
It is hilarious to see Yankees fans using "too few innings" to argue for Rivera over another pitcher.
The point was not that Forman masterminded the 1,000 innings limit years ago to benefit Rivera; the point was there is no reason to use 1,000 innings instead of 900 - even if Forman's lists cut it off at 1,000. And he gives you the ability to use your own innings limit, anyway. There is no "standard" innings limit, or nonstandard one.
If I were doing the lists I'd use separate lists for relievers and starters.
Yes there is. Look, here it is. That's the standard list.
Once again, your tendency to find disagreement hilarious has led you into inaccuracy. I am not a Yankee fan.
Lofl. That's a list, not "the standard list." This isn't IEEE setting IEEE 802 standards for LANs. You guys are being completely absurd.
Sean Forman runs a great baseball website. He is not god.
The Houston Astros decided to stick it to Ray and present Rivera with a final gift - a multi-paneled painting by Opie Otterstad in the shape of Mariano's uniform number, depicting various highlights of Rivera's career. Photo at link.
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